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 Post subject: Re: BUF vs ATL 10/29
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Squanto, knowing that its going to take a season or 2 to get this young D to gel (and with Rivet leaving, Its going to solidify a Sekera or Weber in that spot), do you agree it would be a wise and prudent decision to move atleast some of the core to bring in a young, talented superstar to anchor the forwards? A Bobby Ryan type (and that doesn't mean Ryan himself) that has a season or 2 under them with success and brings that mind set to Buffalo?


I've never been against moving anyone on this roster except Miller and Myers.

At this point, I don't think it would be enough. If they can't hold a 2-0 lead with their captain a healthy scratch, one or two players just won't be enough.

Oh, I'm not talking of one or two players. You've seen my posts, I want to tear it all down and build a winner.
But, as has been pointed out to me, it won't be done under Regier.

On a side note, do you remember when Kaleta, Goose and other 3rd and 4th liners contributed last season?
Where are these guys now?

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slesh wrote:
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I think that shot was better than you're giving it credit for, although Miller was down too early on it.

Defenders can't let him walk in like that with 30 seconds left.

I dunno, I'm just apathetic at this point. They're broken. They look like shit. Miller looks like a shell of a goaltender compared to the last 4 years.

I won't profess to know what they could even do.

Mmmmmm...........agreed, the loss of Tallinder and Lydman definitelty up-ended the defense on this team.
But then, If you review my posts from last season, I, and some others, were already stating that if they went with youth on D to move on to the next generation, this season was up in the air. We now know what we have.

Squanto, knowing that its going to take a season or 2 to get this young D to gel (and with Rivet leaving, Its going to solidify a Sekera or Weber in that spot), do you agree it would be a wise and prudent decision to move atleast some of the core to bring in a young, talented superstar to anchor the forwards? A Bobby Ryan type (and that doesn't mean Ryan himself) that has a season or 2 under them with success and brings that mind set to Buffalo?

Wouldn't it be nice if Regier started it.


thats all well and good but who? who would be out there? who is going to give up a young up and coming superstar... and how much of the core and mortgaging of the future would you have to do to make that happen? i just dont see any superstar types that would be out there... that wouldn't cost us considerable talent on the current team (NHL & AHL) and future picks...

I agree they need to do something... but superstars dont grow on trees... and they are going to cost you a ton...

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 Post subject: Re: BUF vs ATL 10/29
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Has he realized that the Vezina is the only trophy he'll win with this team????


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slesh
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I think slesh has a crush on Bobby, seriously. I'm a huge Bobby fan, but come on. Sure, he's everything we wanted Vanek to be, but he's a rare breed.

LOL, you are correct daz, I love his play, his grit, his determination to play A FULL 60 FUCKING MINUTES!!! :dance:

But in all seriousness, he is a great example, and Buffalo happens to have the goods in thier top 6 to land him or a player like him.

But if we do, we sacrifice this season to build for the future.

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thats all well and good but who? who would be out there? who is going to give up a young up and coming superstar... and how much of the core and mortgaging of the future would you have to do to make that happen? i just dont see any superstar types that would be out there... that wouldn't cost us considerable talent on the current team (NHL & AHL) and future picks...

I agree they need to do something... but superstars dont grow on trees... and they are going to cost you a ton...

What future? Par to sub-par future is something I am willing to gamble at this point. Luke warm is no longer good enough for me.

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All I know is Ruff better start doing bag skates with this team if he wants to see change. Play the guys who are playing, and I mean play them.

I don't care if you're a forward, you will play 25 minutes if you're the one contributing, and until we get even contributions, you won't play as much.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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 Post subject: Re: BUF vs ATL 10/29
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Oh, I'm not talking of one or two players. You've seen my posts, I want to tear it all down and build a winner.
But, as has been pointed out to me, it won't be done under Regier.

On a side note, do you remember when Kaleta, Goose and other 3rd and 4th liners contributed last season?
Where are these guys now?


You're not trading multiple pieces off this roster to get a single player back. What team is going to take $8M in salary and give up a player making $6M, especially when what we have to offer is no good? It makes no sense. You give up a good player to clear cap or get multiple prospects back. Our players make too much to make a cap move, and aren't good enough to be considered prospects.


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thats all well and good but who? who would be out there? who is going to give up a young up and coming superstar... and how much of the core and mortgaging of the future would you have to do to make that happen? i just dont see any superstar types that would be out there... that wouldn't cost us considerable talent on the current team (NHL & AHL) and future picks...

I agree they need to do something... but superstars dont grow on trees... and they are going to cost you a ton...

What future? Par to sub-par future is something I am willing to gamble at this point. Luke warm is no longer good enough for me.


the future talent your giving up by having to hand over lots of picks to land a superstar....

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gr8daygo wrote:
slesh wrote:
Squanto wrote:
I think that shot was better than you're giving it credit for, although Miller was down too early on it.

Defenders can't let him walk in like that with 30 seconds left.

I dunno, I'm just apathetic at this point. They're broken. They look like shit. Miller looks like a shell of a goaltender compared to the last 4 years.

I won't profess to know what they could even do.

Mmmmmm...........agreed, the loss of Tallinder and Lydman definitelty up-ended the defense on this team.
But then, If you review my posts from last season, I, and some others, were already stating that if they went with youth on D to move on to the next generation, this season was up in the air. We now know what we have.

Squanto, knowing that its going to take a season or 2 to get this young D to gel (and with Rivet leaving, Its going to solidify a Sekera or Weber in that spot), do you agree it would be a wise and prudent decision to move atleast some of the core to bring in a young, talented superstar to anchor the forwards? A Bobby Ryan type (and that doesn't mean Ryan himself) that has a season or 2 under them with success and brings that mind set to Buffalo?

Wouldn't it be nice if Regier started it.


thats all well and good but who? who would be out there? who is going to give up a young up and coming superstar... and how much of the core and mortgaging of the future would you have to do to make that happen? i just dont see any superstar types that would be out there... that wouldn't cost us considerable talent on the current team (NHL & AHL) and future picks...

I agree they need to do something... but superstars dont grow on trees... and they are going to cost you a ton...

Agreed gr8daygo.
Lets start a sincere thread, no bullshit from the nay sayers, to discuss just who is out there that would meet that critiria and what needs the particular team that currently has them under contract are.
If we can do it, certainly Darcy "No Nuts" Regier could.

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Squanto wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
Has he realized that the Vezina is the only trophy he'll win with this team????


Overreact much?

:lol: yeah I tend too when I'm frustrated but I really don't see the Sabres winning the cup unless something major happens

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I think slesh has a crush on Bobby, seriously. I'm a huge Bobby fan, but come on. Sure, he's everything we wanted Vanek to be, but he's a rare breed.


Who's Bobby?

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The only way we will land a superstar like that is to draft him, or sign a big name in free agency, and the free agency market is not the place to find them since they are all getting signed long term for their teams.

We need to tank to get the number one pick a few years in a row, or rely on our future AHL guys.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Lindy Ruff just said Rivet was a completely healthy scratch, that he's giving ice time to his best players and Rivet doesn't deserve it. Dang.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The only way we will land a superstar like that is to draft him, or sign a big name in free agency, and the free agency market is not the place to find them since they are all getting signed long term for their teams.

We need to tank to get the number one pick a few years in a row, or rely on our future AHL guys.

Well there is always trading 2 firsts and a second to get the guy you want instead of waiting.

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Lindy Ruff just said Rivet was a completely healthy scratch, that he's giving ice time to his best players and Rivet doesn't deserve it. Dang.

Good, because I see Sekera and Butler doing fine, and way better then Rivet was.

I have no problem with how those two are playing right now. He needs to start sending our forwards to the press box and work on our PK again.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Doesn't Vanek have more pts per game and goals per game than Ryan?

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sabresEH wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The only way we will land a superstar like that is to draft him, or sign a big name in free agency, and the free agency market is not the place to find them since they are all getting signed long term for their teams.

We need to tank to get the number one pick a few years in a row, or rely on our future AHL guys.

Well there is always trading 2 firsts and a second to get the guy you want instead of waiting.

True.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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slesh wrote:
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I think slesh has a crush on Bobby, seriously. I'm a huge Bobby fan, but come on. Sure, he's everything we wanted Vanek to be, but he's a rare breed.

LOL, you are correct daz, I love his play, his grit, his determination to play A FULL 60 FUCKING MINUTES!!! :dance:

But in all seriousness, he is a great example, and Buffalo happens to have the goods in thier top 6 to land him or a player like him.

But if we do, we sacrifice this season to build for the future.

They'd want Myers for sure(for Bobby). You could dangle Roy AND Ennis and they'd be smart to say no. The only Sabre they might be interested in is Sekera if they send Fowler back down. They wouldn't give up much either, because they have Syvret already.


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Lindy Ruff just said Rivet was a completely healthy scratch, that he's giving ice time to his best players and Rivet doesn't deserve it. Dang.


That's pretty obvious to anybody who has been following the team this season, but I'm surprised Ruff was that blunt about it. I didn't think it was his style to call guys out through the media in derogatory fashion. Can't wait to see how he responds when he finally does get back into the line-up. Montador had been really solid up until pretty much costing the team the game with unforgivably poor one on one coverage on Bufuglien.

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slesh wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
slesh wrote:
Squanto wrote:
I think that shot was better than you're giving it credit for, although Miller was down too early on it.

Defenders can't let him walk in like that with 30 seconds left.

I dunno, I'm just apathetic at this point. They're broken. They look like shit. Miller looks like a shell of a goaltender compared to the last 4 years.

I won't profess to know what they could even do.

Mmmmmm...........agreed, the loss of Tallinder and Lydman definitelty up-ended the defense on this team.
But then, If you review my posts from last season, I, and some others, were already stating that if they went with youth on D to move on to the next generation, this season was up in the air. We now know what we have.

Squanto, knowing that its going to take a season or 2 to get this young D to gel (and with Rivet leaving, Its going to solidify a Sekera or Weber in that spot), do you agree it would be a wise and prudent decision to move atleast some of the core to bring in a young, talented superstar to anchor the forwards? A Bobby Ryan type (and that doesn't mean Ryan himself) that has a season or 2 under them with success and brings that mind set to Buffalo?

Wouldn't it be nice if Regier started it.


thats all well and good but who? who would be out there? who is going to give up a young up and coming superstar... and how much of the core and mortgaging of the future would you have to do to make that happen? i just dont see any superstar types that would be out there... that wouldn't cost us considerable talent on the current team (NHL & AHL) and future picks...

I agree they need to do something... but superstars dont grow on trees... and they are going to cost you a ton...

Agreed gr8daygo.
Lets start a sincere thread, no bullshit from the nay sayers, to discuss just who is out there that would meet that critiria and what needs the particular team that currently has them under contract are.
If we can do it, certainly Darcy "No Nuts" Regier could.


we can try. but i may not be any help... i can come up with the obvious.. kaberle would help on the PP BUT Burke is a dolt and wants a kings ransom for him which simply isn't worth it...

The question I would have is who is out there that are the Brier's or Drury's, from how ever many years ago... if i remember right, they were either buried on the depth chart or wore out a welcome and flourished under Ruff's system... who are those players now... also, where did JP Dumont come from? I always liked him....

Who would flourish under this system thats not doing well with their current team?

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