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daz28
 Post subject: Re: Miller Flaws?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:59 pm 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
you guys are cute. miller will be fine.

Got any time table on that Mike, because we need him to win us some games starting, oh say...

Tonight!

I know he wants to stay a Sabre, but being separated from your new family is no fun, especially if the time table is years. I wouldn't be against a swap for Hiller if Miller needs it to return to form. Hiller could maybe use a change of scenery, too. He looked good last night, tho.


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Miller's been shaky this year, but he's shown he can be the same Miller he was before. Miller is the least of my worries.

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He wasn't the reason we lost on Tuesday to the Leafs.

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He wasn't the reason we lost on Tuesday to the Leafs.

He was part of it. When a team already on it's knees gives up 2 early on the road, it's a failbot 9000. The 1st goal went right thru him. Second was legit, but he had a play on it for sure. Good shot, but a star goalie makes those, and you win frustrating the living shit out of the opposition(see Wikipedia Dominik Hasek). Sure, he's not Dominik, but we ain't paying him over 6 to play good enough for a team that scores 3 or 4 a night to win. He's our insurance marker that when we are that team, we can play any style, including boring defense. He is supposed to allow US to dictate the game, hence the giant salary.


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When the team plays that badly in front of you, be glad he only let in two that game. He played well.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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daz28 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
you guys are cute. miller will be fine.

Got any time table on that Mike, because we need him to win us some games starting, oh say...

Tonight!

I know he wants to stay a Sabre, but being separated from your new family is no fun, especially if the time table is years. I wouldn't be against a swap for Hiller if Miller needs it to return to form. Hiller could maybe use a change of scenery, too. He looked good last night, tho.

how about the rest of the team lending him a hand every now and then.

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 Post subject: Re: Miller Flaws?
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daz28 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
He wasn't the reason we lost on Tuesday to the Leafs.

He was part of it. When a team already on it's knees gives up 2 early on the road, it's a failbot 9000. The 1st goal went right thru him. Second was legit, but he had a play on it for sure. Good shot, but a star goalie makes those, and you win frustrating the living shit out of the opposition(see Wikipedia Dominik Hasek). Sure, he's not Dominik, but we ain't paying him over 6 to play good enough for a team that scores 3 or 4 a night to win. He's our insurance marker that when we are that team, we can play any style, including boring defense. He is supposed to allow US to dictate the game, hence the giant salary.

its hard to dictate anything when the people your suppose to be working with off butt fucking in a corner.

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 Post subject: Re: Miller Flaws?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:28 pm 
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Ok, I'll ask a simple question, does anyone think Ryan Miller doesn't feel as responsible as anyone else on this team for its poor performance? If so, I can find you interviews where he says he needs to put in more work, and play better. It's hilarious that people defend a guy who doesn't defend himself. It's a team game, when the D fails, you bail them, and vice-versa. I know hfboards blows because everyone's negative, but ya win as a unit, and die as one. Millsie hasn't helped raise the unit up. This is basic sports psychology, but everyone wants to deny it. Colts minus Manning is almost = to Sabres minus Miller. Some people act like us missing the old Miller is like missing Adam Mair. It's far more important. You'd think a fan base that relied on Hasek would understand how important a goaltender's success can relate to a team's success, yet some people think it's the opposite. "ya, Hasek would have saved em all if they played well in front of him". "ya, Lalime IS Hasek, because the team plays in front of him. Look, here's some gay stats that prove it."


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daz28 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
you guys are cute. miller will be fine.

Got any time table on that Mike, because we need him to win us some games starting, oh say...

Tonight!

I know he wants to stay a Sabre, but being separated from your new family is no fun, especially if the time table is years. I wouldn't be against a swap for Hiller if Miller needs it to return to form. Hiller could maybe use a change of scenery, too. He looked good last night, tho.


hows that for a start?

also, hiller has head issues. pass.

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daz28 wrote:
Ok, I'll ask a simple question, does anyone think Ryan Miller doesn't feel as responsible as anyone else on this team for its poor performance? If so, I can find you interviews where he says he needs to put in more work, and play better. It's hilarious that people defend a guy who doesn't defend himself. It's a team game, when the D fails, you bail them, and vice-versa. I know hfboards blows because everyone's negative, but ya win as a unit, and die as one. Millsie hasn't helped raise the unit up. This is basic sports psychology, but everyone wants to deny it. Colts minus Manning is almost = to Sabres minus Miller. Some people act like us missing the old Miller is like missing Adam Mair. It's far more important. You'd think a fan base that relied on Hasek would understand how important a goaltender's success can relate to a team's success, yet some people think it's the opposite. "ya, Hasek would have saved em all if they played well in front of him". "ya, Lalime IS Hasek, because the team plays in front of him. Look, here's some gay stats that prove it."

Miller would say that same bit about playing better/working harder if the team had lost 5 games either 2-1 or 1-0. Its the "politically correct" thing to say in an interview. No athlete with half a brain would dare say "I'm playing awesome and the rest of the team is playing like shit" in an interview.

With that said, of course Miller wants to play better then he has been and get back to the form he was in a couple years ago. But from the way you were sounding (or at least the way i read it) it seems like you think if we lose its Millers fault regardless of what the team playing in front of him does. The people that defend Miller, for the most part, don't blindly follow him regardless of what he does. If he gets straight up destroyed in a game then he deserves to get shit for it. But I find it hard to put the blame on Miller if he lets in 2-3 goals and a couple of those are off of something like Butlers fuck up tonight. Or if he lets in 2 goals the whole game and the team looses 2-1 (this is of course negated if the goals were the softest of the softest of the softest).

To the "Team Game" part of your post. That mentality goes both ways. You say "when the D fails, you bail them, and vice-versa," Well i haven't see the D bailing anyone out this year. Instead they seem intent on giving up as many odd man rushes, and giveaways as they can. While Miller is off his game this year, the other 5 players on the ice aren't doing him any favors.

Buffalo's reliance on their goaltending has been their problem for years. Your Colts-Manning/Sabres-Miller analogy is pretty close and its a problem that this team has. The teams been lucky enough that Miller (and Hasek before him) has been able to cover it up.

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I tell a flaw miller has right now and its called post concussion syndrome. To me, ever since the drunk Tootoo hit him after coming back from the blockhead lucic hit, he hasn't looked like himself. I know he wasn't up to his best before the two run ins but we remember last year when he was out for a long time with another concussion. Two concussions in lees than a year can screw you badly just see Crosby, MarcSavard, P-M Bouchard etc.

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I tell a flaw miller has right now and its called post concussion syndrome. To me, ever since the drunk Tootoo hit him after coming back from the blockhead lucic hit, he hasn't looked like himself. I know he wasn't up to his best before the two run ins but we remember last year when he was out for a long time with another concussion. Two concussions in lees than a year can screw you badly just see Crosby, MarcSavard, P-M Bouchard etc.

thats entirely possible.

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You can tell from his interview last night how frustrated he is with himself. He said he doesn't know what's wrong and why he can't get his game back. I hope it's not post-concussion syndrome.

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fly as hale wrote:
You can tell from his interview last night how frustrated he is with himself. He said he doesn't know what's wrong and why he can't get his game back. I hope it's not post-concussion syndrome.

I agree fly, but I don't think the frustration is completely with himself. He was an elite goaltender because of the system we played. He made big saves, but more often than not, shots were coming from outside, shooting lanes were clear, and he had the vision. Lately, as the team has looked like monkeys fucking a football, it's a shooting gallery on him. There are only a few goalies in the NHL that could possibly stand up to the barrage of shots he faces on a nightly basis.

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Holy shit.

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Q: Would you mind maybe opening up and telling us what it's like dealing with a concussion? How has it affected your season and also, is it different for a goalie than for a skater?

Miller: My issue is that every time it happens it affects your focus and concentration. You feel like you have ADD. You feel like you have extreme ADD when you have the headaches and the uncomfortable off feeling. I think history can kind of show that I'm a very intense, focused person. And when I can't even get through like a 10-to-15 minute task at home, which I can usually sit down and do, something's wrong.

Q: What kind of tasks?

Miller: Anything. Like, if I tell myself I'm going to sit down and just watch a movie, read a book, whatever, 10 or 15 minutes and then I'm just like, spacing out. That's one of the symptoms. It's frustrating and it's something that I think is misunderstood about concussions, especially in sports. It's like, "Oh, you got your bell run." And when you're cleared to play, it's like, "It's been seven days. You're fine. You're clear and you should be fine." Well, your brain controls everything in your body, even emotions. Like ... you feel depressed. You feel like you can't focus and obviously if you go on the ice and try to play hockey at the highest level, as a goaltender with pucks coming at you and trying to maintain awareness and read the plays, it's definitely not a great situation.

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If he's still have post concussion-like symptoms they need to put him on IR. He is doing this team no good right now staying active.

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Holy shit.

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Q: Would you mind maybe opening up and telling us what it's like dealing with a concussion? How has it affected your season and also, is it different for a goalie than for a skater?

Miller: My issue is that every time it happens it affects your focus and concentration. You feel like you have ADD. You feel like you have extreme ADD when you have the headaches and the uncomfortable off feeling. I think history can kind of show that I'm a very intense, focused person. And when I can't even get through like a 10-to-15 minute task at home, which I can usually sit down and do, something's wrong.

Q: What kind of tasks?

Miller: Anything. Like, if I tell myself I'm going to sit down and just watch a movie, read a book, whatever, 10 or 15 minutes and then I'm just like, spacing out. That's one of the symptoms. It's frustrating and it's something that I think is misunderstood about concussions, especially in sports. It's like, "Oh, you got your bell run." And when you're cleared to play, it's like, "It's been seven days. You're fine. You're clear and you should be fine." Well, your brain controls everything in your body, even emotions. Like ... you feel depressed. You feel like you can't focus and obviously if you go on the ice and try to play hockey at the highest level, as a goaltender with pucks coming at you and trying to maintain awareness and read the plays, it's definitely not a great situation.

FUCK. This guy is basically telling the team he is not ok and that he is depressed.If he is suffering from PCS now and takes another shot to the dome he could be out for YEARS. At the very least a year. Sit him now!!!! This guy needs help and its not going to come with just "playing it out"


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I like winning but a players long term health and wellness after leaving the game is more important to me. I like him as a person and as a player. If his personality is being affected because of this then he is obviously not in any position to be playing. This is not a pulled muscle or twisted ankle you can suck up and play through. No one is manly for playing with PCS.


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Fuckit, take the rest of the season off Ryan, not like you're any good to the team like this. Might as well heal up first.


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ksquier89 wrote:
I like winning but a players long term health and wellness after leaving the game is more important to me. I like him as a person and as a player. If his personality is being affected because of this then he is obviously not in any position to be playing. This is not a pulled muscle or twisted ankle you can suck up and play through. No one is manly for playing with PCS.


Completely agreed. This is some serious stuff.

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