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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri May 10, 2013 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
I'm going to go ahead and disagree that this team is actually stacked with talent left untapped by coaching. I think we're way off in the talent department when compared to teams like the Pens or Chicago. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Fri May 10, 2013 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Absolutely correct, XC. Our players just aren't. that. good. They proved that when they got a new coach. |
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| Author: | sabresindc [ Fri May 10, 2013 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Awww, come on guys. This is the biggest sleeper team in the league..... Lol. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri May 10, 2013 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
sabresindc wrote: Awww, come on guys. This is the biggest sleeper team in the league..... Lol. maybe you're onto something...let's give them a couple years and BANG! They'll surprise everyone! |
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| Author: | Nuthatch [ Fri May 10, 2013 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
BlueandYellow wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: [ It should be noted that in the games Leino played this season (8), he had six points. He was played with top-line players. No reason to believe he can't continue his minimal success when playing with the right players. Yeah, Leino was good. Which is why getting a good player to play with him/Ennis (assuming they put him there) would be scary if he continues that play. Wasn't Leino developing chemistry with Grigs in the preseason? And wasn't that line looking good? |
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| Author: | sabresindc [ Sat May 11, 2013 1:11 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired | ||
Crosscheck wrote: sabresindc wrote: Awww, come on guys. This is the biggest sleeper team in the league..... Lol. maybe you're onto something...let's give them a couple years and BANG! They'll surprise everyone!
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Sat May 11, 2013 1:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Nuthatch wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: [ It should be noted that in the games Leino played this season (8), he had six points. He was played with top-line players. No reason to believe he can't continue his minimal success when playing with the right players. Yeah, Leino was good. Which is why getting a good player to play with him/Ennis (assuming they put him there) would be scary if he continues that play. Wasn't Leino developing chemistry with Grigs in the preseason? And wasn't that line looking good? Seeing as there was no preseason... The line was supposed to be Ott-Grigorenko-Leino, and that's what they were rolling in "training camp." Then Leino got injured and missed for a while. He looked good in minimal action this year. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Sun May 12, 2013 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Crosscheck wrote: I'm going to go ahead and disagree that this team is actually stacked with talent left untapped by coaching. I think we're way off in the talent department when compared to teams like the Pens or Chicago. When you compare our team, or almost any other team to them you're always going to get that result. Hey lets compare talent levels of the two very best teams in the league to a team not even in the playoffs. Yea, real logical. Would you agree that the Islanders weren't a very talented team compared to the Pens, yet they showed everyone the Pens are a very vulnerable team. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Sun May 12, 2013 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Crosscheck wrote: I'm going to go ahead and disagree that this team is actually stacked with talent left untapped by coaching. I think we're way off in the talent department when compared to teams like the Pens or Chicago. When you compare our team, or almost any other team to them you're always going to get that result. Hey lets compare talent levels of the two very best teams in the league to a team not even in the playoffs. Yea, real logical. Would you agree that the Islanders weren't a very talented team compared to the Pens, yet they showed everyone the Pens are a very vulnerable team. The Islanders are different. They have a lot of young talent. Okposo, Nielsen, Tavares, Hamonic, Grabner are all guys who have great talent. They're just really young players. The Islanders are a lot better than an 8 seed in an 82-game season. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Sun May 12, 2013 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Well, Ennis, Vanek, and Hodgson are talented. So was Pomminville when he was here. Stafford COULD be talented if he wasn't a lazy fuck. Leino COULD be talented, but injuries and a bit of the Stafford he's got going on there. Idk. I find Ennis, Vanek, and Hodgson to be a solid three we need to build behind. If we can get a good player from this draft, whether it be a 2nd line or a 1st liner, it could make the signing and trading a lot easier. Which, with four picks in the first two rounds, isn't that hard. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Sun May 12, 2013 11:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
BlueandYellow wrote: Well, Ennis, Vanek, and Hodgson are talented. So was Pomminville when he was here. Stafford COULD be talented if he wasn't a lazy fuck. Leino COULD be talented, but injuries and a bit of the Stafford he's got going on there. Idk. I find Ennis, Vanek, and Hodgson to be a solid three we need to build behind. If we can get a good player from this draft, whether it be a 2nd line or a 1st liner, it could make the signing and trading a lot easier. Which, with four picks in the first two rounds, isn't that hard. Honestly, I don't see Hodgson and Ennis as integral pieces. They're good players, I just don't think they're franchise cornerstones. Playing with Vanek helped Hodgson a lot. His play noticeably dropped off after being taken off Vanek's line. I think he's a good player, but that's about it. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Mon May 13, 2013 1:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Hodgson was also in his second full NHL season. He may not be a cornerstone now, but I'm sure he will be. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Mon May 13, 2013 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
We'll see. I'm not his biggest fan. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Mon May 13, 2013 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Ennis is a cornerstone piece, at this point. He plays on the second line with nobody of actual value, and still racks up 31 points this season (53 points in 82 game schedule). 53 points playing with Foligno (who only had 18 points this year) and Stafford (18 points but can't hit/fight like Foligno) as his best players is pretty good. Put him with Leino, and somebody decent we may pick up, I see a 60-70 point season from the guy. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Mon May 13, 2013 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Half of those points (14) came on the powerplay. Also, the second half of the season, he played mostly with Vanek, so I can think you can attribute most of his point totals to playing on a power-play and as a winger on a line with Vanek. The way I see it, if they're going to continue to move Ennis to the wing, he's useless. He's utterly useless if he's not a center on this roster. We're so deep at center that I feel he's more expendable at center. We need more two-way centers, and Ennis doesn't fit that mold in the slightest. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Mon May 13, 2013 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
27 of Ovechkin's points came on the powerplay. It makes no difference, in fact our PP is so bad it makes him even more valuable. But btw, he didn't mostly play with Vanek at the second half of the year, if he did his and Vanek's +/- would be sort of similar, but they're not. Face it dude, Ennis is the second best player on this team, get him a legit linemate and he does well. |
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| Author: | sabresindc [ Mon May 13, 2013 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
BlueandYellow wrote: 27 of Ovechkin's points came on the powerplay. It makes no difference, in fact our PP is so bad it makes him even more valuable. But btw, he didn't mostly play with Vanek at the second half of the year, if he did his and Vanek's +/- would be sort of similar, but they're not. Face it dude, Ennis is the second best player on this team, get him a legit linemate and he does well. The problem with Ennis and Hodgson is that they completely blow when it comes to defense. Hell, they are a liability when they are in their own zone. They WON'T BE the best players on the ice until they realize that they need to play defense well and not cough up the puck as much as they do. I guess I can chalk that up to youth but I know of players around their age that are better two-way players |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Mon May 13, 2013 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
Hodgson I agree with. Ennis is hit and miss. I see him hit (oddly enough) and backcheck sometimes. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Mon May 13, 2013 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
BlueandYellow wrote: Hodgson I agree with. Ennis is hit and miss. I see him hit (oddly enough) and backcheck sometimes. I agree with this. Ennis at least backchecks. He's always skating, always working. I guess, if anything, I can't take that away from Ennis. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Mon May 13, 2013 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kevyn Adams and James Patrick Fired |
We agree? No way!  
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