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slesh
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:40 pm 
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There is proof that LQ meddled in hockey decisions when he was president under the Knox family. There's no reason to think he wouldn't be doing it this time around.

Well, apparently we will all have to wait for Quinn's or Regier's memiors to be published before we will actually ever know Squanto.
Like I said above, I can only go by who was responsible for player/personnel decisions. Who's job description gave them that Responsibility. You already know my take on that.

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There are Quinn quotes admitting he had a hand in the Drury and Briere debacle. I clearly remember reading them and becoming enraged.

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Darcy does not deserve a free pass by any means.

The Larry Quinn factor cannot be ignored though.


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slesh
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There are Quinn quotes admitting he had a hand in the Drury and Briere debacle. I clearly remember reading them and becoming enraged.

I couldn't find anything Phil, outside of Quinn supporting Regier's decisions due to circumstances.

"During a 30-minute news conference, he and Quinn outlined their efforts to keep the Sabres’ top two centers, who combined for 123 goals over the past two years.

They acknowledged the Sabres could have been more proactive in attempting to re-sign both a year ago and didn’t foresee Briere handcuffing their payroll when he received a one-year $5 million contract in arbitration last summer. As free agency approached, Quinn and Regier said signing Drury became the team’s top priority because of his leadership skills and because it would be too expensive to sign both."

http://niagara-gazette.com/sports/x6812 ... ury-Briere

Quinns own words, after the fact:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/2 ... 2076_x.htm

I can find nothing stating Quinn made the decision on either one of the players. It looks to me like him and Regier made the call. Only supporting my statement that Regier needs to go as well as supporting others statements that Quinn has to go.

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Squanto wrote:
Darcy does not deserve a free pass by any means.

The Larry Quinn factor cannot be ignored though.


briere walked into darcys office and begged darcy to keep the team together, and asked for a 5 year, 5 mil a year contract. im pretty sure darcy would have said yeah had his hands not been tied..

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Quinn admitted that Drury agreed to a deal in principle, but they didn't finalize their end of the bargain fast enough, so Drury pulled out.


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Quinn admitted that Drury agreed to a deal in principle, but they didn't finalize their end of the bargain fast enough, so Drury pulled out.


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How that doesn't get you fired is beyond me...

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It wasn't Darcy that didn't finalize the deal.

It was Quinn. He didn't sign off on it fast enough.


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slesh
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Well, these are all interesting tid bits of information, but to me anyways, it comes back to the fact that a "Contending" team was essentially, dismantled, and done so with no more regard for risk than an infant crawling out a 2nd story window.

Like I said, I have a real disdain for Regier, with the new owner coming in, I'm not worried about Quinn. But if Regier stays on beyond this season, I have real concerns.

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slesh wrote:
Well, these are all interesting tid bits of information, but to me anyways, it comes back to the fact that a "Contending" team was essentially, dismantled, and done so with no more regard for risk than an infant crawling out a 2nd story window.

Like I said, I have a real disdain for Regier, with the new owner coming in, I'm not worried about Quinn. But if Regier stays on beyond this season, I have real concerns.


you need to give Darcy at least one year without the Quinncuffs... at least one season!!!

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slesh wrote:
Well, these are all interesting tid bits of information, but to me anyways, it comes back to the fact that a "Contending" team was essentially, dismantled, and done so with no more regard for risk than an infant crawling out a 2nd story window.

Like I said, I have a real disdain for Regier, with the new owner coming in, I'm not worried about Quinn. But if Regier stays on beyond this season, I have real concerns.


you need to give Darcy at least one year without the Quinncuffs... at least one season!!!

Why?
I've given 40 years allegiance to this Club, why should I give him 1 more year of a product that does not look to be progressing in the right direction?

I feel as though the organization owes us fans a Stanley Cup Banner, I and many more fans of the team have held up our end of the bargain, its time for the team to pay up on its end.

With Regier gone I'd feel much more comfortable knowing that an obstacle to fulfilling their end of the deal will be removed.

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slesh wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
slesh wrote:
Well, these are all interesting tid bits of information, but to me anyways, it comes back to the fact that a "Contending" team was essentially, dismantled, and done so with no more regard for risk than an infant crawling out a 2nd story window.

Like I said, I have a real disdain for Regier, with the new owner coming in, I'm not worried about Quinn. But if Regier stays on beyond this season, I have real concerns.


you need to give Darcy at least one year without the Quinncuffs... at least one season!!!

Why?
I've given 40 years allegiance to this Club, why should I give it 1 more year of a product that does not look to be progressing in the right direction?

I feel as though the organization owes us fans a Stanley Cup Banner, I and many more fans of the team have held up our end of the bargain, its time for the team to pay up on its end.


Well its just that simple right.. the owe us this so now the have to stop goofing around and go to the NHL and say, hey we need to win the cup this year because our fans deserve it, so if you could just let us do it, that'll be great.

Everyone is pissed because we lost Briere, Drury, JP Dumont, Campbell, etc.... and its all Quinn and Darcy's fault... well think of it this way.. Darcy put that team together.. and he put a Stanley Cup Final team together in 99, if you are rational, the only conclusion you can come to is

DARCY KNOWS WHAT HIS IS DOING, AND WANTS TO WIN!!!

Now everyone makes mistakes but i'm sure that Quinn handcuffing Darcy and the self imposed cap are more to blame than Darcy. From everything i've heard Darcy had a deal with Drury and Quinn dropped the ball, but also there was no deal in place for Briere, so that is on Darcy..

Darcy has been able to put a consistently competitive and all around 'good' team on the ice year after year, with the restrictions and limits from Golisano and Quinn.. So do i want to see what he can do, when a new owner walks up to him and says "here's your blank check, give me the best team we can get" ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTLY!

Who knows maybe Darcy trades up in the draft, maybe we make a splash in FA, maybe we sacrifice some of our prospects for a star player via trade at the deadline to make a cup run.. Part of me thinks that the reason Darcy loves his draft picks so much is because he knows he can't afford to do it in FA or the Trade market. I just wanna see what he will do when he can do basically whatever he wants and not have to worry about the money.

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I wish it were that simple to win a Stanley cup also. But since our inception, how many teams actually have won the cup and how many teams have won multiple ones.

If Darcy sucks so bad, what about the other GM's who don't get it done year after year too?

Blame one guy all you want for these past few years. Before the lockout we couldn't spend the amount of money needed to win a cup because the owners and market couldn't afford it. It's not like Buffalo could buy a cup like other teams tried to do before the lockout. And after the lockout we've shed the deadweight and added younger and better players to the lineup and lost one really good player in Briere. Drury is nothing like he was here, Dumont isn't a 4 million dollar man, Campbell isn't close to a 7 million dollar man.

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San Jose, what do they have like 6 division titles and eight 100 pt seasons in the last nine years, and not even a finals appearance?

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there is a reason its called "the hardest championship in pro sports".....because it is

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All I have to say is, Darcy has done some BRILLIANT things people. Don't deny that.

I also won't deny, that under his time here, there have been plenty of very questionable moves, too.

I think you have to give him a chance under the new owner. If things don't change, then we know, and we move on.

I know it's tough, and some may call it luck, but please don't forget that we've had some very good teams here in Buffalo in obviously tough circumstances during his tenure as GM.

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gr8daygo wrote:
slesh wrote:
Well, these are all interesting tid bits of information, but to me anyways, it comes back to the fact that a "Contending" team was essentially, dismantled, and done so with no more regard for risk than an infant crawling out a 2nd story window.

Like I said, I have a real disdain for Regier, with the new owner coming in, I'm not worried about Quinn. But if Regier stays on beyond this season, I have real concerns.


you need to give Darcy at least one year without the Quinncuffs... at least one season!!!


You remind me of Bull.....the Lalime fan

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there is a reason Audsabres is called "the hardest mofo in pro EVERYTHING".....because he is


Fixed it for you :lol:

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To PSP:
I hear what you and others of your opinion are saying, and I understand where you are coming from.
Its tough to let go of that which we are accustomed to. As a species (human beings), we always covet what we see, and in this case, many have known little to nothing other than Regier.

To Everyone else:
Darcy Regier must be held accountable for his actions, both "GOOD" and "BAD", during his tenure as GM of the Buffalo Sabres.
This includes taking responsibility for the dismantling of a "STANLEY CUP CONTENDING TEAM"!
Whether or not you all wish to acknowledge that yes, he did in fact, have a heavy hand in that situation is completely up to you as individuals. It's your opinion, and as I told PSP, I can understand that, you are all curious to see what Darcy can do "without Quinn" involved in the decision process. For my part, NO THANK YOU!
He has already shown me his character as a GM over the past 13 years with or without Quinns input.

At some point and time, Darcy Regier will be held to account for his more than obvious short comings as a GM, regardless of his "almost had it" successes. He simply cannot be allowed to fail, over and over and over and over and over again. Thats my take on it and always will be.

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gr8daygo wrote:
slesh wrote:
Well, these are all interesting tid bits of information, but to me anyways, it comes back to the fact that a "Contending" team was essentially, dismantled, and done so with no more regard for risk than an infant crawling out a 2nd story window.

Like I said, I have a real disdain for Regier, with the new owner coming in, I'm not worried about Quinn. But if Regier stays on beyond this season, I have real concerns.


you need to give Darcy at least one year without the Quinncuffs... at least one season!!!


You remind me of Bull.....the Lalime fan

Bullthefirefighter who had some serious man love for Lalime

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