Why not? One award compares a goaltender to all the other goaltenders in the league. The other compares a goaltender to every player in the league.

You can be the player most valuable to your team, and not be the best goaltender in the league.

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most valuable player should mean most valuable player. this whole "to his team" junk is rarely if ever upheld, its usually the MVP of the league, as it should be. so, if a goalie wins MVP, which i dont really agree with (like i dont think a pitcher should win MVP in baseball) he should probably be the best at his position. just how i feel.

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Why shouldn't a goalie win MVP? I don't get it... An MVP is an MVP, regardless of their position.

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Why not Mike?

If a goalie single handedly carries a team into the playoffs or a cup, is he not going to be the MVP?

If a goalie keeps you in games that your team has no business of winning is it just his job, or is he the MVP?

Position doesn't mean anything really. If he is carrying a team on his back he should win.

I mean Miller didn't carry this team all the way on his back, the defense helped him out alot more this year then previous years and such, but still without Miller this team would be fighting for that number one draft pick.

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goaltending already has its MVP award. the nature of the position is so different, that they created an award, an MVP of goaltending.

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I do kind of agree on this basis.

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By that standard there shouldn't be any sort of MVP award. There's awards for the best forwards offensively and defensively, and an award for the best defensemen.

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thats the grey area, rudder. a skater is a skater. a forward can be a defensive forward, and a defensemen can be an offensive defensemen. but a goaltender cant be a "goalscoring goaltender."

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What Nick said.

Either every player on the ice should be reasonably considered for the league's MVP award, or there shouldn't be one.

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mechaphil

Forwards have their own award (Rocket Richard) and defensemen have their own award too (Norris).

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Every sport has 'best in position' awards, and an overall most valuable player award. Why should hockey be any different?

This discussion is going to veer toward the MLB with it's use of the Cy Young Award, and then it's going to get retarded.

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mechaphil

hey, its just my opinion. im allowed to have it. and no, caro, im not singling you out, your post just happened to be the one i quoted. promise.

defense and forward is vastly different, but both have the same capabilities... you skate out. thats the grey area.

and yes, its about to get all sorts of retarded up in here. a pitcher can win a cy young and an MVP... but a centre fielder cant win a cy young. or else griffey would have 6 of em.

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Hmm...not sure where you conjured up a crazy idea like that, but no, you AREN'T allowed to have an opinion. Get those thoughts out of your head. Right now.

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What's happening here? We're disagreeing and going back and forth and having our own opinions, but we're not at each other's throats?

<3 you guys.

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mechaphil

Every position in hockey has a unique award that realistically only players of the position can win. Every position in hockey can also be awarded the MVP.

Every position in baseball has a unique award that realistically only players of the position can win. Every position in baseball can also be awarded the MVP.

I don't see a problem here. Are you really insinuating that the process is somehow unfair in some way because there are position specific awards handed out?

Tom's brain went :fart:

"Every baseball in hockey"

Heee

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mechaphil

I is tired.... :p

no not really. im saying they have an award for best pitcher in baseball... why should that player also win an MVP?

they have an award for best goalie in the NHL, why should that player win an MVP.

unless a pitcher goes 28-1 with a 0.82 era, or a goalie goes 63-2-1 with a 1.13 gaa with a .972 save percentage and 34 shut outs, its simply too close, and therefore, the edge should go to a skater.

and your talking to a pitcher and a goalie!

oh, and off topic slightly, gold glove awards and silver slugger awards are almost the same thing. gold gloves are awarded to players with good offensive numbers. the more you know.

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