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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:12 pm 
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If Gerbe can put in 60 points a year, is that a failure for him? For a guy who was told he'd never amount to being in the NHL?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:15 pm 
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i think 60 points is highly optimistic for gerbe. i think thats what ennis will get year after year.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i think 60 points is highly optimistic for gerbe. i think thats what ennis will get year after year.


You're right for Ennis' first two seasons.

Gerbe will be a 30-40 point player in his first two. Then move up to 60.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:25 pm 
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perhaps ennis will get 70-80.. but weve all seen this show before.. we shouldnt over value our prospects.

i think ennis will be a very very good player. not very optimistic he will be a super star, but a first liner? im pretty sure he will be a very good one.

as for gerbe, i dont see big things out of him. 40 point kinda guy. thats not bad.

who knows though. i just dont want to get too hyped about guys who will likely be good, (in ennis case, VERY good) but where superstardom is a long shot. and thats cool with me.

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They may be even smaller than Roy and Connolly, but they don't play like it.

These guys went after hits, they weren't afraid to drive to the net, they took shots when they had the opportunity, and they contributed all over the ice.

For being thrown into a tough playoff series, I thought the effort we got out of these guys was nothing short of heroic.

No one... and I mean NO ONE... should be clamoring to trade these guys during the offseason.

I think the past two games have shown what Gerbe is capable of, who has been overshadowed and basically dismissed by many Buffalo fans because he's not quite as good as Ennis.

He has a lot to bring to the table, and he's only getting better.

Most importantly, both of these guys have the kind of raw offensive ability that breaks through the toughest of defenses.

When Briere was here, he was the type of player that you knew was going to create some kind of chance. Whenever he corralled the puck, it brought fans to the edge of their seats.

Connolly used to be that player... not anymore. Roy has never been that player.

Ennis is that player. And Gerbe isn't far behind.

The future is looking bright.


They are the type of player that excels in the playoffs. I don't think I'd expect them to amount to much in the regular season. Few people in the league can play with that tenacity and perseverance all 82 games- and those that do are much bigger. Don't count your chickens.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
perhaps ennis will get 70-80.. but weve all seen this show before.. we shouldnt over value our prospects.

i think ennis will be a very very good player. not very optimistic he will be a super star, but a first liner? im pretty sure he will be a very good one.

as for gerbe, i dont see big things out of him. 40 point kinda guy. thats not bad.

who knows though. i just dont want to get too hyped about guys who will likely be good, (in ennis case, VERY good) but where superstardom is a long shot. and thats cool with me.


Can we overtalk other team's prospects?

"Rask is going to be a thorn in the Sabres side for years to come."

Since Ennis put up the among best numbers on the team as a rookie with ten games under his belt in the playoffs, I don't see how talking him up is any worse than talking up Rask, or Howard, or Quick.

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rask has proven to be among the elite, and he was projected as such when he was drafted. thats the thing. ennis wasnt projected as an elite player in the making, and i dont want to get ahead of myself just because of the sweater he is wearing. he may end up proving me wrong. the kid oozes with talent and potential. i just dont see him as a future art ross winner. a very good player to maybe build around on the first line, yeah.

i dont see why i cant love the kid, but not think hes going to be a sure fire hall of famer.

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I see Gerbe as more of a 40-50 point player, not 60.


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rask has proven to be among the elite, and he was projected as such when he was drafted. thats the thing. ennis wasnt projected as an elite player in the making, and i dont want to get ahead of myself just because of the sweater he is wearing. he may end up proving me wrong. the kid oozes with talent and potential. i just dont see him as a future art ross winner. a very good player to maybe build around on the first line, yeah.

i dont see why i cant love the kid, but not think hes going to be a sure fire hall of famer.

Rask hasn't proved anything yet, he had one year in the NHL, so did Mason. Mason had one hell of a year last year, but this year he dropped .015 in Sv% from a .916 to a .901.

Rask hasn't proved anything, so far the only thing he has proven is he was an amazing goalie his rookie year.

Howard is the same thing, both two very good goalies right now. But will they be able to keep it up or will they be one year wonders or will they be solid enough?

We don't need an Art Ross winner on our team, I'd much rather have two or three guys on a team who can put up 30 goals and maybe two guys with 80 or more points.

Have around 5 or 6 guys with 20 goals, that is a team that can win games. We already have one 40 goal scorer, now we just need a few more players to get the other goals.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
rask has proven to be among the elite, and he was projected as such when he was drafted. thats the thing. ennis wasnt projected as an elite player in the making, and i dont want to get ahead of myself just because of the sweater he is wearing. he may end up proving me wrong. the kid oozes with talent and potential. i just dont see him as a future art ross winner. a very good player to maybe build around on the first line, yeah.

i dont see why i cant love the kid, but not think hes going to be a sure fire hall of famer.

Rask hasn't proved anything yet, he had one year in the NHL, so did Mason. Mason had one hell of a year last year, but this year he dropped .015 in Sv% from a .916 to a .901.

Rask hasn't proved anything, so far the only thing he has proven is he was an amazing goalie his rookie year.

Howard is the same thing, both two very good goalies right now. But will they be able to keep it up or will they be one year wonders or will they be solid enough?

We don't need an Art Ross winner on our team, I'd much rather have two or three guys on a team who can put up 30 goals and maybe two guys with 80 or more points.

Have around 5 or 6 guys with 20 goals, that is a team that can win games. We already have one 40 goal scorer, now we just need a few more players to get the other goals.


Not to mention the fact that there have been many players projected to do as well as or better than the likes of Rask or Howard and they flamed out. No one should be jumping the gun on those two either.

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those two are locks, especially rask. both of them are almost flawless. they may not have the same success of this past season next year, but these guys are legit stars in the future. rask a superstar.

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Quite a hypocrite, Mike.

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how? because i dont think ennis is going to a mega star?

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No, because you're already convinced a couple of rookies (yea, I know, Howard qualifies. He's an old fucking man) are going to be super-stars while telling us all not to count our chickens before they hatch. IE, being a hypocrite.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
how? because i dont think ennis is going to a mega star?


Because you're knocking on Ennis when there is no reason yet to anoint either Rask or Jimmy Hip Replacement. It's the lack of consistency.

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im not knocking anyone. where do you people come up with this stuff?

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I never said you were knocking anyone. I know you like Ennis, we've both liked Ennis since he was drafted. It's common knowledge. But while you're trumpeting Rask's and Howard's greatness to the gods on high Olympus, you're telling us not to get too excited for a couple of players we're psyched for.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
im not knocking anyone. where do you people come up with this stuff?


I, and others, are just pointing out that you don't want to give Ennis the same credit you consistently give Rask and Howard when none of the three have really proven anything.

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just callin it like i see it.

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But we're not allowed to?

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