19:40 TOI tonight, with a goal and an assist. Provided we don't give up five powerplays, he probably would have gotten the extra twenty one seconds to give him more than twenty minutes.

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To be fair, Lindy said(on the radio today) he was gonna up ice time for top 6'ers seeing the games weren't back-to-back. My opinion is that their bodies won't be accustomed to playing that much, and will want to be done at 17:00. You have to TRAIN yourself for extra minutes, not just have an extra day off.

Let's not overlook that he drew three penalties, one of which led to his PP goal.

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mechaphil

I can't believe it took someone this long to make a thread about it. I know for a fact I've said that if he played 20-25 minutes a night like a Crosby or Ovechkin he'd score just as much as them. He's that gifted offensively. He's not the 2 way player those two are, but he's that gifted when he is able to play with the puck.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

Jay, I wanna take you seriously, but you called Ovechkin a two-way player.

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mechaphil

And if Lindy's "system" didn't involve him sitting in front of the net waiting for players who can't get him the puck.

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Well, you can put Ovechkin out there in any situation and he's still the best player on the ice 95% of the time...I guess he's not super defensively gifted, but he does have skill in his own zone.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

Amount of time played is based on performance. If you score more, you will play more.

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Let's go Buffalo!

I looked up his 19+ stats for the year and they were just as impressive. I think it was 6g, 5a in 9 games or something.

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Well, I doubted it, but maybe there's some truth to this. I guess it makes sense.

There are a lot of times that Vanek looks ineffective. There are other players that create more energy some nights, and I think it's tempting for a coach to ride something like that.

That said, one thing I know from personal experience playing, the more time I get on the ice in a game, the better I feel out there. Touches, shots, flow... all get better as the game goes on.

Lindy says the top guys have to make a difference. If that's the case, play them more.

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I was going to track to see how many goals that Vanek helps on that he doesn't get credit on the scoresheet for, i.e. screens and coming in on an oddman rush when the player shoots.

So far I found 7 through the first 20 games.

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14:11 ES/TOI Average for the year so far is 13:29

5:31 PP/TOI Average of 3:53

So he got 40 seconds more ES time, and about 2 more minutes of PP time and a power play tap in from a brilliant one-touch Stafford pass.


Again, to be expected.

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"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

If I could, I'd have Vanek's next child.

But you know, in a totally non-gay way and all..

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He's a middling AHL player who had the good fortune of a drunk arbitrator. - The Squanto re: Tim Kennedy

Guys that block shots get banged up more then the ones that don't. To me that's common sense, but I don't have stats to back it up so you win another one. Congratulations.

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"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

I agree, and that doesn't just go for hockey. One of my last years of baseball, I was the only guy on the team that had pitched before as an actual pitcher (rather than a position player coming in for an inning of mop up) so I knew I was going to get the majority of the innings and have a bunch of complete games, whether I was sucking or not, and it was my best season ever.

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Wasn't arguing that, was doubting the notion that there is more shot blocking going on during the penalty kill. More important to disrupt passing lanes and clear out the crease than it is to dive in front of shots, I think.

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Well you would hope that the guys you put out there want to and know how to block shots when it's time to do so. Of course there's a lot more to the PK then getting in shooting lanes, and if the power play is moving the puck well there may never be time to set for a shot block. It depends on how well your killer's anticipate and time opposing shots and many other things. I think the opportunity to block a shot is presented much more frequently during a kill then at even strength, and therefore it should be attempted more.

Also, if it's in the playoffs and I'm Chara, and I see Vanaek 8 feet in front of me with his feet right there, well, do you think he's goign to mind having one "blocked" by Vanek? I think he might put a little extra into it and hope that he blocks it poorly.

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"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

Putting up the points as of late and that's a good sign.

I like how he puts pressure on himself to score one, especially in a big situation. His defense is still lacking though. -12 on the score sheet.

I would like to see a good center/winger combo play with him once in his career. When roy is healthy next season, it would be beneficial to see us bring in a solid winger to compliment them both.

How many goals can you count that are his fault though? I can remember a few turnovers, but for the most part, goals against when Vanek has been on the ice have been the fault of Gerbe, Ennis, Myers, and Sekera (and in that one Pittsburgh game, Roy).

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Very good points

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