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Squanto
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BTG doesn't owe anyone anything. If he hadn't put his money on the line, this team would not be here today.

We all wish he would have done some different things in player choices, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this team was almost out of here until he stepped in.


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He's buying the team for 175 million and absorbing 14 million in liabilities. It was in the article about it.

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Squanto wrote:
BTG doesn't owe anyone anything. If he hadn't put his money on the line, this team would not be here today.

We all wish he would have done some different things in player choices, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this team was almost out of here until he stepped in.


yep! I cant thank BTG enough!!! He kept the team in Buffalo and made sure the team is going to a Buffalo fan!!! Yeah he made some money on the deal, but thats what smart businessmen do! He will always be the original savior of the Sabres! Thank you BTG!

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Both were impressed with his passion for the game and the money he's prepared to put behind the Sabres when he takes over.

Said Daly: "He was very impressive. He’s down to earth, he’s normal and he spoke about his passion for the game. He spoke about his passion for the Sabres and about this being a lifelong dream to own the Sabres and operate them. And he talked about his vision for the future.

"He has some pretty substantial resources behind the club and making it successful long term. He wants to see it be successful on the ice. "


http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/201 ... ssion.html


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Squanto wrote:
BTG doesn't owe anyone anything. If he hadn't put his money on the line, this team would not be here today.

We all wish he would have done some different things in player choices, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this team was almost out of here until he stepped in.


Agreed 100%

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agreed 101%

101.1%

Fuck yeah. Extra mile.

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gr8daygo wrote:
Squanto wrote:
BTG doesn't owe anyone anything. If he hadn't put his money on the line, this team would not be here today.

We all wish he would have done some different things in player choices, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this team was almost out of here until he stepped in.


yep! I cant thank BTG enough!!! He kept the team in Buffalo and made sure the team is going to a Buffalo fan!!! Yeah he made some money on the deal, but thats what smart businessmen do! He will always be the original savior of the Sabres! Thank you BTG!


Thanks, but here's the door. He got paid. Its not like he was the only bidder.

He bought at the lowest point in the market. It was only going to go up. IMO, the only reason he stuck around as long as he did was the return was too good.

Some money? How about making about 3 to 1 on his money in 5 years? One could say that he milked fans for every nickle he could part from them and once the check came, he bailed. He could have listened to the hockey people and kept good players, but he didn't....because it was a business.

I'm not gonna sit here and gush over a guy who didn't listen to the hockey guys in the organization more than his bank statement. Just can't give the guy who's walking away with a ton of cake, but didn't pay Briere and then overpaid lesser players to compensate. The guy netted 95 points from the center position and we treated him like a 3rd liner headed for arbitration. What team does that? (Its things like this that make me wonder about the truth to the articles of player statements about how they would play anywhere except Buffalo.)

Every time I wanna rip Darcy, (I still do), but I think here's a guy who got us a top line center who could (and looks to be that) for a decade and a few years into that decade of play his guy produces and then gets shown the door all in the name of fiscal responsibility...frankly Golisano was just cheap.

He also continued the trend that wearing the C in Buffalo is the first step to being pushed out the door it seems....no matter the ownership.

We deserve better and an ownership that either understands hockey or gets out of the way and let's the hockey guys work. Just like our football team needs.

This is the standard that Pegula should be held to...not just be happy that he bought the team.

Golisano was a transitional owner....that's all he'll be known for. He could have been known as a great owner, but chose to pinch pennies in the name of fiscal responsibility. His greatest legacy is that he left the next owner a decently clean slate to start making changes.

Its just funny to me that there are umpteen threads about how the Sabres don't spend enough or the right money and this is the business model of the Golisano regime.

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Actually he was the only bidder.

The Mark Hamister group were the only people in play. When it came out that Hamister wanted a ton of public money to close the deal, and it was refused, he pulled out, leaving no bidders.

Larry Quinn recruited BTG to come in and buy the team. There was nobody else.

BTG made sure that the team stayed. BTG made sure there was a clause in the arena leases that forced the Sabres to stay in Buffalo should he sell. BTG refused to take offers from Jim Balsille when he wanted to move the Sabres to Hamilton.

If you want to take a shit all over BTG because Larry Quinn screwed up the signing of Daniel Briere, then go right ahead. If you want to accuse BTG of being a penny pincher, well, you're just plain wrong.

The rest of us reasonable fans will be over here realizing that if it wasn't for BTG, we wouldn't even have a look at Pegula.


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Squanto
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OldTimeHockey wrote:
Its just funny to me that there are umpteen threads about how the Sabres don't spend enough or the right money and this is the business model of the Golisano regime.


THE SABRES HAVE SPENT TO THE CAP EVERY YEAR UNDER GOLISANO'S OWNERSHIP EXCEPT THIS ONE. THIS IS A FACT.

BTG has not been cheap. He's put the money out there. It's been spent wrong, and that's on Regier/Quinn.


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BTG doesn't give a shit what we think of him at this point. I agree with you OTH that he was a transition owner and that was his plan. He did what he wanted to do, make a ton of bank from the sale of this team. More power to the guy. I wish I had that kid of business mind to be in the postion he's in.

As for Pegula, I really don't think you have to worry about holding him to a "Standard." If he is as much of a Sabres fan as the rest of us he will do whatever it takes to have a winning team. Now is a time to sit back and see what his passion will do for this team. Take a sign of relief and relax.


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OldTimeHockey
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Squanto wrote:
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Its just funny to me that there are umpteen threads about how the Sabres don't spend enough or the right money and this is the business model of the Golisano regime.


THE SABRES HAVE SPENT TO THE CAP EVERY YEAR UNDER GOLISANO'S OWNERSHIP EXCEPT THIS ONE. THIS IS A FACT.

BTG has not been cheap. He's put the money out there. It's been spent wrong, and that's on Regier/Quinn.


Who kept Reiger/Quinn in their positions? Golisano. Why not force Quinn out? I was shocked that he was still there and not forced out. The only reason I could think of was that it would cost more money to get rid of him to buy him out. I mean he didn't know what his other partners were up to? come on.

Why not ask someone else when an obvious issue comes up? You can't be an owner and hide behind some decisions and take credit for others. This isn't the Governorship.

Ok, let's be fair, he's put some money out there, but nothing short of "cash to the cap." How's that working for either Buffalo sports team?

Maybe if he spent 1 player past that and worked a deal like a number of other teams do, we could have kept out contender team a bit longer.

Hey, am I happy he bought the team. Yes, but I'm not going to laud his ability or results when he could have paid a couple of good players, netted a few less million and maybe won a cup.

To waste the team he did was as bad as an Senators fan watching Ottawa turtling in the playoffs.

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Actually he was the only bidder.

The Mark Hamister group were the only people in play. When it came out that Hamister wanted a ton of public money to close the deal, and it was refused, he pulled out, leaving no bidders.

Larry Quinn recruited BTG to come in and buy the team. There was nobody else.

BTG made sure that the team stayed. BTG made sure there was a clause in the arena leases that forced the Sabres to stay in Buffalo should he sell. BTG refused to take offers from Jim Balsille when he wanted to move the Sabres to Hamilton.

If you want to take a shit all over BTG because Larry Quinn screwed up the signing of Daniel Briere, then go right ahead. If you want to accuse BTG of being a penny pincher, well, you're just plain wrong.

The rest of us reasonable fans will be over here realizing that if it wasn't for BTG, we wouldn't even have a look at Pegula.


The Golisano offer also took any other plan out of the running. Once Bettman and the BOG's get fixed upon something they seem to get tunnel vision, even it it almost destroys the league twice in a decade.

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BTG doesn't give a shit what we think of him at this point. I agree with you OTH that he was a transition owner and that was his plan. He did what he wanted to do, make a ton of bank from the sale of this team. More power to the guy. I wish I had that kid of business mind to be in the postion he's in.

As for Pegula, I really don't think you have to worry about holding him to a "Standard." If he is as much of a Sabres fan as the rest of us he will do whatever it takes to have a winning team. Now is a time to sit back and see what his passion will do for this team. Take a sign of relief and relax.



You'd think that Golisano being at a time in his life where he'd start caring about his legacy. Being the guy who brought Buffalo its first championship (sorry lacrosse doesn't count) would have been a good capper to that.

To me his ownership of the Sabres is just like his bids for Governor...try sorta hard and then give up.

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Squanto wrote:
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Its just funny to me that there are umpteen threads about how the Sabres don't spend enough or the right money and this is the business model of the Golisano regime.


THE SABRES HAVE SPENT TO THE CAP EVERY YEAR UNDER GOLISANO'S OWNERSHIP EXCEPT THIS ONE. THIS IS A FACT.

BTG has not been cheap. He's put the money out there. It's been spent wrong, and that's on Regier/Quinn.

This purchase very well may have been in the works since the summer and that could be why they imposed their own cap. Don't want to make major changes with a serious deal developing. Very common business practice.

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Hey, am I happy he bought the team. Yes, but I'm not going to laud his ability or results when he could have paid a couple of good players, netted a few less million and maybe won a cup.


Nobody has any way to know that would have happened.


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The Golisano offer also took any other plan out of the running. Once Bettman and the BOG's get fixed upon something they seem to get tunnel vision, even it it almost destroys the league twice in a decade.


There was no other plan to take out of the running. You just don't get it.

If BTG doesn't buy this team to keep it in Buffalo, the NHL sells to someone to move it elsewhere. Period.

There was nobody else.


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Squanto
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This purchase very well may have been in the works since the summer and that could be why they imposed their own cap. Don't want to make major changes with a serious deal developing. Very common business practice.


No disagreement there. Once word of the deal pending came out, this year's frugalness almost made sense.


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Golisano spent to his self imposed cap but still he spent mulah.

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