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SabresBillsFan
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:53 pm 
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This team needs offense in the worst way but then again how many other teams in this league needs one or two more scorers on their team. Everyone thought the Hawks were messed up by letting all those players go after they had won the cup but this team is loaded with good young players and good young prospects.


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Howie Hodge
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It's not always a matter of upgrade. In this case it's addition by subtraction.

Two players who can't; or refuse to, bring in on most nights.

Even if you get little in return; you benefit. Not only by above; but it opens the possibility of bringing in one or two veteran players who will help set a stronger tone in the locker room, because you've taken over $8 million off your teams payroll.

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Yes, but the Hawks have Toews, Kane, Sharp, Keith, Seebrook, and Hossa. They're all superstars in this league.

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Howie Hodge wrote:
It's not always a matter of upgrade. In this case it's addition by subtraction.

Two players who can't; or refuse to, bring in on most nights.

Even if you get little in return; you benefit. Not only by above; but it opens the possibility of bringing in one or two veteran players who will help set a stronger tone in the locker room, because you've taken over $8 million off your teams payroll.

What I'm saying is wait for the trade deadline, so you will actually have deals that could be worth trading your best players away for.

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I mean, you're not going to get Ovechkin, Stamkos, or Datsyuk type players. Those are the only ones that would even have a hope of turning this team around, and we still would have trouble getting through the playoffs.

Stamkos or Datsyuk. Get Ovie out of there.

Alright, if you wouldn't take Ovie from Stafford and Roy, you're clinically insane. He's still one of the best in the NHL.

Gerbe, Hecht, Leino, Boyes is solid, Ennis just got back. Not enough room with the youngsters already up.


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Howie Hodge
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We could be out of contention by the trade deadline. You make your moves after the Holiday trade deadline at some point.

Or you do nothing, and write the season off; again....

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McNabb, Kassian, and Adam are here to stay.


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Howie Hodge wrote:
It's not always a matter of upgrade. In this case it's addition by subtraction.

Two players who can't; or refuse to, bring in on most nights.

Even if you get little in return; you benefit. Not only by above; but it opens the possibility of bringing in one or two veteran players who will help set a stronger tone in the locker room, because you've taken over $8 million off your teams payroll.


Totally agree with this.


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Howie Hodge
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New faces people; that's the point here. Changing the dynamics in that locker room and on the ice.

It doesn't have to be the acquisition of a major - major star.

But it does need to be respected players, who can play top minutes; and who will lead by example.

Rivet would have been a good acquisition; had he not been so broken down when he was acquired.. Think in those terms. Get rid of a couple uncommitted players. Bring in a couple committed players. It would do more than you might think.

This is not rocket science. This is something a good GM should understand thoroughly.....

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The other problem Darcy has is he got this team to the Cap ceiling without being able to perform a trade or two to benefit this team without cutting a salary or two to do it.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
The other problem Darcy has is he got this team to the Cap ceiling without being able to perform a trade or two to benefit this team without cutting a salary or two to do it.

Youth movement. Trade for experience and youth to replace what we brought up to the NHL. This is how winners work. Draft, develop, trade, bring in experience and more draft picks.


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Howie Hodge
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The other problem Darcy has is he got this team to the Cap ceiling without being able to perform a trade or two to benefit this team without cutting a salary or two to do it.



Exactly!

This what we're all saying here. Roy and Stafford (as an example - though hopefully) leave via trade. That's $8 million in salaries.

Now you go and get a veteran or two.... Yes!

This is doable...

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ksquier89 wrote:
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The other problem Darcy has is he got this team to the Cap ceiling without being able to perform a trade or two to benefit this team without cutting a salary or two to do it.

Youth movement. Trade for experience and youth to replace what we brought up to the NHL. This is how winners work. Draft, develop, trade, bring in experience and more draft picks.


This is exactly what I want to happen. This team could add a solid player and some picks. Since they supposedly expanded the scouting department and we now have 2 second rounders this coming draft. Stockpile a few more picks and start drafting and developing more. The last few years we have had some solid picks but we need a couple of home runs to this squad.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
ksquier89 wrote:
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The other problem Darcy has is he got this team to the Cap ceiling without being able to perform a trade or two to benefit this team without cutting a salary or two to do it.

Youth movement. Trade for experience and youth to replace what we brought up to the NHL. This is how winners work. Draft, develop, trade, bring in experience and more draft picks.


This is exactly what I want to happen. This team could add a solid player and some picks. Since they supposedly expanded the scouting department and we now have 2 second rounders this coming draft. Stockpile a few more picks and start drafting and developing more. The last few years we have had some solid picks but we need a couple of home runs to this squad.

THANK YOU!

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Old guard=Vanek, Pommers, Miller
New corps-Gerbe, Ennis, Kassian, McNabb, and Myers
You rotate the core otherwise team can become stagnate


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Howie Hodge wrote:
We could be out of contention by the trade deadline. You make your moves after the Holiday trade deadline at some point.

Or you do nothing, and write the season off; again....

There are no moves that we could make right now that would be the deciding factor for the WHOLE season.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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So because of 32 games you're saying Terry needs to trade and get rid of the core players, fire Darcy and Lindy, or he's a terrible owner?

I'm sorry, this is what I'm taking out of all this senseless bitching.

I have never been an avid supporter of Roy. He's a slightly more useful verision of Maxim Afinegenov. Razzle, dazzle, caugh up the puck. Won't check for shit. Shows no heart at all and from what I have heard he is a selfindulgent weiner. I have only liked Stafford for one season and that was because he was playing for a contract. I'm not saying break up the whole"core" but these two could leave no problem.

I agree with changes being needed. But all the hate on Terry for not changing the whole team 32 games into the season is sickening. He did not see this coming, nobody did. There's little Terry can do in 32 games especially when he had no idea our guys would not try at all. Give him the rest of this year and I'm sure he'll make a lot of changes.


See the trouble here is we are not asking to change up the whole team 32 games in, all we want is a winner on the ice. The players on the ice especially Roy and Stafford will not do that for us... Leino and Eherhoff have been good signings. Leino had a slow start but he is getting up to speed. Also if the team doesn't seem to be listening to the coaches, wuts the exact reason to have them there? If players will respond better to someone else behind the bench then go for it. Like seriously who cares if Lindy's longest active tenured coach in league... And who cares if he was former Sabre... The guys not gettin the job done period.

Terry is stuck way into the past of this team with all the alumni and all. It's great for teams to get alumni involved but IMO making them the center of attention doesn't really help player confidence either.

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I think it would be best for the Sabres to upgrade even if it means taking a step back for this season. Let's face it Roy and Stafford aren't cutting it and Gaustad even though he's a very good faceoff man he is paid way too much for what he brings to this team. I have to agree with this statement

Old guard=Vanek, Pommers, Miller
New corps-Gerbe, Ennis, Kassian, McNabb, and Myers
You rotate the core otherwise team can become stagnate

Keep Vanek, Pommers and Miller and build around them with a core of new players. Roy and Stafford are expendable in my mind. Lets face it Pommers and Vanek have been real good this year but I would rather have Vanek the Captain than Pommers. Miller he just needs to get his shit together and start working his tail off to get back to where he was when he wanted to be the starting goalie for Team USA.


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Let's get this straight.

Terry said he wouldn't fire Lindy and Regier in the OFF SEASON. He might fire them at the end of the season. Firing them now isn't wise at ALL. We'd have to find a replacement for both, and if one goes both goes.

None of this is Terry's fault. Just because the OWNER (not the GM, who is responsible for trades) isn't making trades happen and firing the coach and GM 32 games in doesn't give everyone the right to start ripping on him.

Trades, ESPECIALLY team changing trades, are not plentiful this early in the season.

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Howie Hodge
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BlueandYellow wrote:
Howie Hodge wrote:
We could be out of contention by the trade deadline. You make your moves after the Holiday trade deadline at some point.

Or you do nothing, and write the season off; again....

There are no moves that we could make right now that would be the deciding factor for the WHOLE season.


Your absolutely right.

The NHL Holiday trade freeze is in place currently through the 27'th.

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