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gr8daygo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:56 pm 
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At this point I want all Sabres fans to divide into two camps - those that want him to act completely unlike himself and more like Bob Gainey, and those that are being patient because we just came off the team's fifth division title and third 100-point season in club fucking history.


Im on the patient side... 2 ECF appearances, a presidents trophy, a calder cup d man, a vezna olympic goalie, a number of 20+ goals per season forwards... and a number of prospects that look pretty darn good.... heck Darcy is only how many years into building his own AHL team? Thats only going to benefit the pipe line of talent! Darcy has earned my patients... we all might not agree and how he goes about it, but Darcy and Ruff are always in the mix!!! They are literally two players away, the way I see it... no reason to blow it up guys... yes, they need some tweaks, but come on it's July 2nd!!!!

I am positive, POSITIVE they have a plan and will work towards it...


I agree they might be two or three players away but they do have some guys that need to go as his core group of players aren't good enough. No-one is saying blow it up but adding a guy or two here and there and cut the garbage out like Connolly and Stafford.


Staff I can agree on, he plays like a girl.... but i still like timmy.... would I like to see more size at C.... sure, but timmy and roy are solid... their numbers show it... and if the play-offs were officiated like the regular season, you'd have no problem with Timmy and Roy... and regardless what anyone says, I still think Timmy was NOT 100% going into the play-offs... I know even Timmy says he was fine, but I don't buy it.... not to mention isn't he normally playing against the oppositions top D pairing...

Bottom line, you are probably NOT adding a legit #1 C this year... who is out there? ... so why toss Timmy aside, it doesn't help...

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Has Stempniak been inked yet? And if not, why not?


Stemp likely wants more bank than a lot of teams want to give him based largely on catching fire late last year.

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McCormick is back one a one-year $500K deal :)


nice, i liked the kid.... 2 way contract? like last year, where he can play in portland or buffalo?


It's a one way deal!


thats fine... replaces Mair probably then, like Phil said... good energy guy, like the toughness, its part of what the team needs... some nutz..... now what about Ellis?

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Well, I like Ellis, but I want a 4th line with balls that can play hockey, too. Brad Winchester and Zenon Konopka are both available still, and I think Konopka lead the league in PIMS and fighting majors last season.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Obviously, they're using a soft cap. If they don't HAVE to go over a certain amount, then they won't. Now that they got to the playoffs, they're probably willing to spend a little more.

Again, they're not done in free agency. They're just done for a little while.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

They've been consistently spending to within $2M of the cap. That's not a soft cap; that's leaving yourself some wiggle room in case of an injury.

The money is there. They've been spending it. They're not being cheap.


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mechaphil wrote:
Well, I like Ellis, but I want a 4th line with balls that can play hockey, too. Brad Winchester and Zenon Konopka are both available still, and I think Konopka lead the league in PIMS and fighting majors last season.


Im game with that! added with Patty and Cody... its a freaking Hansen brother line... break out the foil guys!!! thats what i'd love to see out of the 4th line!!!

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Squanto wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Obviously, they're using a soft cap. If they don't HAVE to go over a certain amount, then they won't. Now that they got to the playoffs, they're probably willing to spend a little more.

Again, they're not done in free agency. They're just done for a little while.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

They've been consistently spending to within $2M of the cap. That's not a soft cap; that's leaving yourself some wiggle room in case of an injury.

The money is there. They've been spending it. They're not being cheap.


I'm not saying their not spending money but come on Squanto you can't be thrilled about alot of the contracts Regier has given out to some of these so called core players. Way too much money for some decent players at best.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Squanto wrote:
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Obviously, they're using a soft cap. If they don't HAVE to go over a certain amount, then they won't. Now that they got to the playoffs, they're probably willing to spend a little more.

Again, they're not done in free agency. They're just done for a little while.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

They've been consistently spending to within $2M of the cap. That's not a soft cap; that's leaving yourself some wiggle room in case of an injury.

The money is there. They've been spending it. They're not being cheap.


I'm not saying their not spending money but come on Squanto you can't be thrilled about alot of the contracts Regier has given out to some of these so called core players. Way too much money for some decent players at best.

You mean the players who were given their contracts during a notorious stretch of seasons where EVERYONE got overpaid to a ridiculous degree? Yea, because we need to blame Regier for a damn league-wide trend.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Squanto wrote:
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Obviously, they're using a soft cap. If they don't HAVE to go over a certain amount, then they won't. Now that they got to the playoffs, they're probably willing to spend a little more.

Again, they're not done in free agency. They're just done for a little while.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

They've been consistently spending to within $2M of the cap. That's not a soft cap; that's leaving yourself some wiggle room in case of an injury.

The money is there. They've been spending it. They're not being cheap.


I'm not saying their not spending money but come on Squanto you can't be thrilled about alot of the contracts Regier has given out to some of these so called core players. Way too much money for some decent players at best.


Examples of these players?

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
I'm not saying their not spending money but come on Squanto you can't be thrilled about alot of the contracts Regier has given out to some of these so called core players. Way too much money for some decent players at best.


People ARE saying they're not spending money. Constantly. And it's a flat out lie.

You could argue that some players are overpaid, and I think it's a legitimate argument for some. But to say that BTG is a 'cheap owner' or that the team has some self imposed 'soft cap' is just a flat out lie.


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Squanto wrote:
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I'm not saying their not spending money but come on Squanto you can't be thrilled about alot of the contracts Regier has given out to some of these so called core players. Way too much money for some decent players at best.


People ARE saying they're not spending money. Constantly. And it's a flat out lie.

You could argue that some players are overpaid, and I think it's a legitimate argument for some. But to say that BTG is a 'cheap owner' or that the team has some self imposed 'soft cap' is just a flat out lie.


I agree with you Squanto BTG isn't a cheap owner the problems is which player is getting what amount of money. I think Connolly and Pom's contract is too high, Vanek should never be making the money like he is but it was match that offer sheet or lose him. Should have never come down to that. Hecht is overpaid for what he brings to the table.


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If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Vanek's agent declared his client would be testing the offer sheet waters on July 1st and wouldn't sign beforehand. Vanek's contract is the ONLY way ANYTHING was gonna happen with him.

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Squanto wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Obviously, they're using a soft cap. If they don't HAVE to go over a certain amount, then they won't. Now that they got to the playoffs, they're probably willing to spend a little more.

Again, they're not done in free agency. They're just done for a little while.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

They've been consistently spending to within $2M of the cap. That's not a soft cap; that's leaving yourself some wiggle room in case of an injury.

The money is there. They've been spending it. They're not being cheap.


Well, they're being cheap with the right people, and being plenty giving to some of the wrong.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Well, they're being cheap with the right people, and being plenty giving to some of the wrong.


Very well said.


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Just got the kids down for naps. What's the summary for today? Anything?

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gr8daygo wrote:
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Squanto wrote:
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Obviously, they're using a soft cap. If they don't HAVE to go over a certain amount, then they won't. Now that they got to the playoffs, they're probably willing to spend a little more.

Again, they're not done in free agency. They're just done for a little while.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

They've been consistently spending to within $2M of the cap. That's not a soft cap; that's leaving yourself some wiggle room in case of an injury.

The money is there. They've been spending it. They're not being cheap.


I'm not saying their not spending money but come on Squanto you can't be thrilled about alot of the contracts Regier has given out to some of these so called core players. Way too much money for some decent players at best.


Examples of these players?


Pominville signed in a market where players getting 75-85 points were getting around $4.5-5.5 million a year. Roy's contract is a genius contract and a bargain for what he produces each season. Vanek was handed an offer sheet and Darcy couldn't let him walk, or it would have been the end of him. Guastad's contract was a key cog in locking up Miller long-term. Tallinder's contract looked good after the 2005-06 season because he played like a monster.

The only contracts I've never really agreed with is the two contracts we've given Connolly. First of all, we gave him money after a huge concussion and he sat out an entire season. Then he finally started playing, caught fire, got a crapload of points, and we were at a crossroads of either trading a player or keeping a player on a high in a mediocre season. Miller was out of the game at the time, and we could have easily gotten a first rounder for him and a decent prospect if we had just traded him at the deadline. Other than that, the decisions are what they are. They were market value decisions. You can't blame Darcy for following a trend.

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Anyone want to stop arguing for a sec and fill me in on today's events?

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Anyone want to stop arguing for a sec and fill me in on today's events?

McCormick signed here. That's it. You can go back to hating on Darcy again.

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Anyone want to stop arguing for a sec and fill me in on today's events?

McCormick signed here. That's it. You can go back to hating on Darcy again.


Um....me hating him? Okay. Yeah......um.....fuck that d-bag man......he's....uh....a lazy guy........he needs to sign Ovechkin right now or else he should get fired........and he can suck a bag of dicks........um....yeah


McCormick is staying huh? I can swing with that. Hope he gets more time on the ice this year.

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He should. My guess is that Mair doesn't return.


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