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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:42 am 
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http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/2010/08/miller-no-3-in-hockey-news-top-50.html

#1? Crosby
#2? Ovechkin
#3? Miller

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"You look at Ryan Miller and wonder how that skinny body fits into the Superman costume. There may be no team in the league that relies on one player more than the Buffalo Sabres lean on Miller. He has incredible athleticism and agility, and his cerebral approach to the game often gives him an edge over opposition shooters. A budding photographer whose work adorns the chambers of a prominent Buffalo judge, Miller is a workhorse."



Fuck off, he's NUMBER ONE! If I could build my own team and pick any player in the league I would choose Ryan Miller as THE number one pick in the fucking world. Ovechkin and Crosby can go milk Bettman's prostate with their teeth.


You're fucking creepy.

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Miller averages over 60 minutes of ice time per game. Those gaybots can barely manage 20.

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Its not all about achievements but its not all about individual skill either. When I think of a player I think of a player who has combined these two necessities to be successful in the NHL. Now when people say that Ovechkin is miles better than Crosby then they are just being ignorant, though Ovechkin does have better individual skill and finesse, Crosby has a better ability to lead and read a play to involve everyone in o the play to create more opportunities for the puck to go in the net and that does not necessarily mean he will put it in.



I agree.. Ovechkin never goes behind his red line..At least Crosby plays defence once in a wile..

But Miller is a solid #3 last season..


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How am I biased? Crosby is being defended by a few Canadians, so... We can't be sure YOU'RE not biased. I'm not being prejudice here. The only reason I would have to hate Crosby would be he is a bit of a cheap shot guy and always gets his way, but as I said Ovechkin is a dirty bastard himself. This is my opinion. No bias. Ovechkin and Washington are my 2cnd favorite team. I watch them a lot. Honestly? Ovechkin plays a very physical defensive game. I don't care that Crosby scored on Miller. It was a bad goal on Miller's fault. It's the fact that I rarely ever see Crosby play defense. But I see Ovechkin play a very physical game.

If I had to choose between the two, Ovechkin would be my choice. He can hit, score, skate, dangle, snipe, and he can work the puck very well. All this talk about Crosby being a leader and a great passer are only two aspects of the game. Ovechkin can play defense just as good as Crosby. Overall, he is the better player, IMHO.

(IMHO)

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DYAH OKAY YOU GOT ME. HOW DARE HE SCORE THE GOAL ON MILLER! DAMN HIM! WHY?!?!

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I think OV is a better (hockey) player. I think Crosby is a better bahahahahaa

nvm. I don't think Crosby is better than OV at anything. Except maybe crying.

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I think OV is a better (hockey) player. I think Crosby is a better bahahahahaa

nvm. I don't think Crosby is better than OV at anything. Except maybe crying.


I think Crosby must be the prophet Muhammed to some people.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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I think OV is a better (hockey) player. I think Crosby is a better bahahahahaa

nvm. I don't think Crosby is better than OV at anything. Except maybe crying.


I think Crosby must be the prophet Muhammed to some people.


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It pisses me off so much, that one of the mods on this one forum I go to is a Habs fan, and he says Miller doesn't deserve the 3rd spot. He says Malkin should be there, and Miller should be between 5-10. He hates the Sabres, honestly. He thinks the whole team is trash, and that Montreal's D is ten times better than the Sabres.

I hate those frog licking fucking shit bags.

This is going on the rant thread.

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SabresFanInNebraska wrote:
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I think B&L is just a little angry that Crosby scored a goal on Miller. You're arguments just come off as insults directed at Crosby rather than constructive criticism. I think both players are incomparable due to their different playing styles and the roles that they have to take.

BTW, Ovie was suspended for very dirty plays that could end players careers (boarding and that sketchy Campbell hit). So if anybody believes that Crosby has committed any of these offences then post them on this board. I hear talks of him not getting suspended for his dirtiness so show us some evidence.



Agreed.

Crosby's vision, hockey sense, and ability to play the game at such a high level in EVERY facet is why I like him more and think he's the better player.

That said I love to watch Ovie play just as much, maybe even a little more. He's phenomenal as well.

If you're trying to say OV doesn't have the Vision or hockey sense that Crosby has then you're flat out retarded. Maybe Crosby is a bit better defensively maybe not, maybe the players put on the ice for the Capitals in SH far exceed both Crosby and Ovechkin's defensive games that you wouldn't want anyone else on the ice.

I don't agree a player needs to have SH time on the ice to prove if he is a liability on defense or not, there are always better players for that role. Would you rather have Mike Grier and Kaleta on the PK or would you rather have a Crosby or Ovechkin on that line?

I know I'm picking Grier over both for the PK, I would pick Drury over both on the PK also, Jordan Staal over almost anyone, Mike Richards over anyone else too.

But Ovechkin never plays on the PK, not because he can't play defense, it's just because they have better options, Crosby would never be the first unit on the PK, and maybe not even the second unit. He would maybe be one of those guys to fill in if a main PKer is the one in the box.

Ovechkin and Crosby are the two most offensive players in the league today, that won't ever change. I still am going to say Ovechkin will end with a better PPG then Crosby and more goals, but Crosby won't be very far behind in PPG or points. Maybe more points if he ends up having a longer career because of playing styles.

Ovechkin is far more exciting to watch because he is a bigger player and actually can use his body way more effectively then Crosby ever can, but Crosby has more patience probably and makes different plays. OV is a sniper and Crosby is the playmaker type.

Also if an Offensive guy goes behind their own redline it means the defense is way out of posistion, and in Hockey the wingers should NEVER go behind the redline, that is the center's job to go into the corners and help the defense out. The wingers should be up to receive the pass to start the breakout, it's simple fundamentals of hockey.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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I think we should go back to kissing Miller's ass.

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At least that's something we can all agree on.

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I love Miller, but I don't think we can kiss his ass, because I thought Fly called dibs on that already.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I love Miller, but I don't think we can kiss his ass, because I thought Fly called dibs on that already.


Fight to the death?

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I love Miller, but I don't think we can kiss his ass, because I thought Fly called dibs on that already.


I thought that she called dibs on having sex with him?

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I'll fight to the death, ahhh you're right Green, haha.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Well man, you might just have to go with the belief that I'm retarded then. lol

I actually agree with a lot of what you said. In my OPINION, I think Crosby's visinon and overall hockey sense is higher than that of Ovies. Plain and simple. You said yourself Crosby is the playmaker type while Ovie is a sniper. Which is true. I'll say it again- I love both of these guys and the way they play. I can understand why people like Ovie more and think he's more exciting to watch.

I enjoy watching them both play. There is just something about Crosby and his ability to read and develop plays that I like.

Different opinions, that's all. :D


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It was the way you put it, by saying Crosby's ability to have such a sense at such a HIGH level and then just saying OV is phenomenal also. Just made it seem like you thought Crosby was WAY better. It just seemed like you said Crosby was exponentially better. I don't think either player has much better vision or hockey sense then one or the other. The PPG don't really lie, both players are almost identical in that department, around a 1.34-1.36 basically.

OV scores more, but he can still get just as many assists as Crosby, and vice versa, if Crosby shoots more.

I honestly don't see either player deviating much from their PPG right now. Crosby will drop a little bit more and probably go a little lower then Ovechkin, and OV's will probably stay the same.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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SabresFanInNebraska wrote:
Well man, you might just have to go with the belief that I'm retarded then. lol

I actually agree with a lot of what you said. In my OPINION, I think Crosby's visinon and overall hockey sense is higher than that of Ovies. Plain and simple. You said yourself Crosby is the playmaker type while Ovie is a sniper. Which is true. I'll say it again- I love both of these guys and the way they play. I can understand why people like Ovie more and think he's more exciting to watch.

I enjoy watching them both play. There is just something about Crosby and his ability to read and develop plays that I like.

Different opinions, that's all. :D



Crosby's passing is WAY over rated. He's never made any of his line mates better players. He doesn't know how to slow the game down and wait for guys to get open, and often times his passes are not even close. He makes these fancy looking passes to try and make a highlight reel and they never connect.

Taveras made Matt Moulsen (former 9th round pick of the Penguins) a 30 goal scorer, Crosby has never made any of his line mates 30 goal scorers. Even Hossa was slightly under his career average on Crosby's wing. Crosby goes all out, makes his plays, if you aren't there he will cry and bitch to you about it. Crosby's work ethic is unlike any players I've ever seen, and he backs that up with incredible talent too. But vision, I think that's way overhyped.

When I was a Pens fan I watched insanely talented players for years and years and Ovechkin may be the best one on one player I've ever seen. That includes Kovalev, Lemieux, and Jagr among others. I always tune into Caps games when I get the chance. That combination of speed, hands, and strength is unstoppable. His only fault is shooting too soon. His shot is sick, but he's over confident with it. He needs to grind it down low sometimes.

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I don't like Crosby. I really don't.

But I don't think there's any denying the fact that he's the best player in the NHL.

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