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Author:  MakinItLookMean [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:58 am ]
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this came from an article on wgr55.com.........

"Regier said the top priority right now is developing players internally, on the roster. He stressed that player movement, making a trade, is very difficult this year."

article link - http://www.wgr550.com/Darcy-Regier-Report/5876513

i like this squad more than last year....however, personally i don't think darcy should be finished....we still need at least 2 more scorers, and maybe a d-man.....guess it's another year of "nothing is out there".....

i wish we had an active gm...oh well...pretender not contender as of this point
Author:  mechaphil [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:59 am ]
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There's another two months before the Olympics, so anything can happen. Not that I think anything will, but I'm just sayin...
Author:  PuckSniperPensel [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:00 pm ]
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He didn't say there wouldn't be any trades.

I think Darcy has just stressed the importance of developing from within due to the difficulty of making trades.

If there's an option out there that will improve this team, I'm sure Darcy will jump all over it.
Author:  Squanto [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:12 pm ]
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His point was that because of the cap, there's less room to maneuver, and more difficult to make moves. He's right.

Before the cap, you could trade for a guy making insane money for 2 months because you could afford it, and there was no limit to your payroll. Now, most teams have to move players that make comparable salaries so they don't blow their caps up. Makes it more difficult.
Author:  MakinItLookMean [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:13 pm ]
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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
He didn't say there wouldn't be any trades.

I think Darcy has just stressed the importance of developing from within due to the difficulty of making trades.

If there's an option out there that will improve this team, I'm sure Darcy will jump all over it.


i hope you're right
Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:23 pm ]
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Didn't he say the same things when we aquired Zubrus at the the deadline, and Moore, and even the years before the lock out.

It's not like he's going to openly come out and say, "Yeah my plan is to shed Hecht, and Lydman, and aquire a draft pick, and a prospect, and then flip those into a player like Mike Cammillari."

Why doesn't he do that? Well if you hold your cards close, only you know what you have, and how you want to play it.

Trading with the cap is tough, but there is plenty of talent to be dealt this year, it's a matter of getting together with the right trading partners. I'm not even close to worried about adding much to this team, I think we're built for the playoffs (2 pretty tough lines, 2 talented scoring lines), and have plenty of depth at forward (Gerbe, Ennis) and D in the minors. (Grags, Weber)

The real question for this team is that, can we continue to work hard, and win close games. Not to mention we're going to be getting back Goose, and Grier, barring any major injuries the rest of the way out, I think we'll be fine.
Author:  Timbo Slice [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:17 pm ]
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All this team needs is a top 6 forward. That's all. If we get that, we'll be a true Cup contender. If not, we'll be a fringe contender.
Author:  PuckSniperPensel [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:00 pm ]
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MakinItLookMean wrote:
this came from an article on wgr55.com.........

"Regier said the top priority right now is developing players internally, on the roster. He stressed that player movement, making a trade, is very difficult this year."

article link - http://www.wgr550.com/Darcy-Regier-Report/5876513

i like this squad more than last year....however, personally i don't think darcy should be finished....we still need at least 2 more scorers, and maybe a d-man.....guess it's another year of "nothing is out there".....

i wish we had an active gm...oh well...pretender not contender as of this point


More importantly, why do you say, "Again this year?"

Wasn't the last time Darcy didn't make a deadline trade 05-06? And wasn't the closest we've come since 99 to a cup finals appearance?

Trades are sometimes overrated.
Author:  fly as hale [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:14 pm ]
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He just said this time of the year it's hard to get a trade done. How many other GMs are making trades around this time a year?
Author:  GoSabres29 [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:38 pm ]
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Timbo Slice wrote:
All this team needs is a top 6 forward. That's all. If we get that, we'll be a true Cup contender. If not, we'll be a fringe contender.

Exactly.
We really are one pure goal scorer away from being a cup contender. We thought Vanek was the answer, but he was not. We need a scorer that makes Vanek money...but who is not Vanek :doh: Someone who can take a wristshot from the circle/slot and have it go in. Someone, who even though we're playing a bad game, can still go out there and score a quick goal.
We need a game-breaker whos name is not Ryan Miller.
Not that in any way this could happen....but if we had Kovalachuk instead of Vanek, we woulld be top of the league.
We have the grit, we have the secondary scoring, we have the goaltending, our defense is playing good...all we need is a GAMEBREAKER! KOVY!
Author:  Skyline_BNR34 [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:20 am ]
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We don't need a defender, we may have been allowing more shots on net, but many are from the blueline or in terrible scoring positions.

Our defense is fine, we are anchored by Myers and Tallinder right now. Montador and Lydman are doing good, and Rivet and Sekera aren't terrible by any means.

Defense is fine, we may just need one good scorer, but right now isn't a time to try and get him without any playoff implications on the line.
Author:  acrossthelines [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:33 am ]
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We already traded Paille. Haha.

Trading near the deadline is entirely overrated, anyway. Anybody have that stat that shows how many SC winners didn't make any trades at the deadline? I remember seeing that once... Let's just say that trading around that time of the season isn't all it's made out to be.
Author:  ironyisadeadscene [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:02 pm ]
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its not overrated.
Author:  slesh [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:46 pm ]
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GoSabres29 wrote:
Timbo Slice wrote:
All this team needs is a top 6 forward. That's all. If we get that, we'll be a true Cup contender. If not, we'll be a fringe contender.

Exactly.
We really are one pure goal scorer away from being a cup contender. We thought Vanek was the answer, but he was not. We need a scorer that makes Vanek money...but who is not Vanek :doh: Someone who can take a wristshot from the circle/slot and have it go in. Someone, who even though we're playing a bad game, can still go out there and score a quick goal.
We need a game-breaker whos name is not Ryan Miller.
Not that in any way this could happen....but if we had Kovalachuk instead of Vanek, we woulld be top of the league.
We have the grit, we have the secondary scoring, we have the goaltending, our defense is playing good...all we need is a GAMEBREAKER! KOVY!

After having an epiphany of a moment (the most recent Rangers game) I have cast off the idea of trading for a goal scorer. Not that I wouldn't approve if the Sabres did it, but I think that goal scorer is already here. We have a player that can take a wicked wrist and snapshot, KALETA! I don't know about any of you, but that break away goal in the game was just fuckin awesome. I want this kid to immediately go to the line 1 or 2 RW position and continue to play. He just looks that hungry, plays like a monster fuckin power forward and has a wicked shot to boot. I love this kid more and more. I am starting to think a Myers, Miller and now a Kaleta jersey are in order.
Author:  Van_Da_Man [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:06 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
its not overrated.

Did the Penguins win the cup when they traded for Hossa? I know it's just one reference but trading doesn't always work for the better, even for "dynasties"
Author:  GoSabres29 [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:31 pm ]
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Darcy does a perfect job of building from within and bringing in talent through drafts and the minors. The problem is, once you get to the really good draft team (the next 3 years [with Ennis, Gerbe, Kassian, Enroth coming up]), Then you got to get that one, sometimes two key components through trade. We NEED a sniper, and could use a veteran forward.
It doesnt work with what the Rangers and Canadiens do, just signing a bunch of big names and hope things work out.....you got to build through the draft, have those players grow together until they are a really good team (all that Darcy has done so far), and then make a big trade for that one key goal scorer...a gamebreaker...KOVY!!!
Author:  acrossthelines [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:03 am ]
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Van_Da_Man wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
its not overrated.

Did the Penguins win the cup when they traded for Hossa? I know it's just one reference but trading doesn't always work for the better, even for "dynasties"


The majority of teams that go on to win the Cup don't make trades near the deadline... I really don't remember the exact stat, but I know that that was at least part of it lol.
Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:14 am ]
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Must...get...backup...for...Miller.
Author:  BS1970 [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:36 am ]
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Van_Da_Man wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
its not overrated.

Did the Penguins win the cup when they traded for Hossa? I know it's just one reference but trading doesn't always work for the better, even for "dynasties"

They still traded for Guerin.

And I think we should trade Vanek and Pommers to Atlanta for Kovy, then with the salary we shed with them, lock him up for like 8-10 years. Then bring up Ennis for the other wing spot. How sick would this look going into the playoffs?

Kovy - Roy - Stafford
MacArthur - Connolly - Ennis
Hecht - Goose - Grier
Ellis - Kennedy - Kaleta

We'd still have the 3rd and 4th lines to keep the other teams in check when the series starts to grind out. Plus with the addition of Kovy it would elevate Roy and Stafford to a level we have never seen before (seriously, look what he's doing for Max. I mean it's Max for God's sake!). I wouldn't mind it at all if we rode Miller and Kovy's coat tails through 4 rounds of playoff hockey if it meant we won it all.

Oh, to dream. :(
Author:  BS1970 [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:37 am ]
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Oh yeah, this too at the back end:

Miller
Biron

:D
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