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So who's coming back into the lineup?

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That means Goose is ready to come back in.

I don't get it. Why not keep up Mancari and sit Kennedy?


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http://www.wgr550.com/Mancari-headed-ba ... nd/6566895

I didn't believe it until I looked up WGR.

If Gaustad plays tonight they have 12 starting forwards so I guess the logic is to keep Mancari playing even if not in Buffalo. The problem is that Kennedy is struggling (like I've been saying since the 1st week - he's not big/strong enough yet). Ruff could have Connolly, Roy, Gaustad, and Mair at C...sit Kennedy and keep Mancari up to play. The lines would be...

Hecht - Connolly - Pominville
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Ellis - Mair - Kaleta

Unless Stafford is ready to play there will be a hole at RW, unless Kennedy stays at C and Gaustad moves to RW. Anyway, again Mancari seems to get a token look without enough time to prove himself. I'll bet that's a giant shot of motivation to keep working hard.


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NHL preview says that Goose is still out... So what's the deal here Ruff? We gonna play with 11 forwards and move Montador or Sekera to forward?

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come on I liked Mancari in the first two games, I didn't get to see him much last night.... Whats the deal....

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Gaustad is back, according to Sabres Edge. Mancari was an emergency recall for Gaustad, and now that the Goose has been activated back to the roster, Mancari has to be sent back down.

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fly as hale wrote:
Gaustad is back, according to Sabres Edge. Mancari was an emergency recall for Gaustad, and now that the Goose has been activated back to the roster, Mancari has to be sent back down.


I thought Mancari came up for/after Stafford got hurt.... call up protocol and rules make my brain hurt... why can't they bring him up for Staff and sit Ellis.... I liked the VRooooooM line...

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gr8daygo wrote:
I thought Mancari came up for/after Stafford got hurt.... call up protocol and rules make my brain hurt... why can't they bring him up for Staff and sit Ellis.... I liked the VRooooooM line...

I thought he was up for Stafford too, but apparently he was up for Gaustad. If it's an emergency call up he has to get sent back down, or else he has to go through waivers... I don't really understand the whole call up/waiver process...all I know is that it's damn confusing. But that's what I got out of it. It's a shame because I thought Mancari looked pretty good out there, would have liked to have seen what else he could have done if he had more time.

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fly as hale wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
I thought Mancari came up for/after Stafford got hurt.... call up protocol and rules make my brain hurt... why can't they bring him up for Staff and sit Ellis.... I liked the VRooooooM line...

I thought he was up for Stafford too, but apparently he was up for Gaustad. If it's an emergency call up he has to get sent back down, or else he has to go through waivers... I don't really understand the whole call up/waiver process...all I know is that it's damn confusing. But that's what I got out of it. It's a shame because I thought Mancari looked pretty good out there, would have liked to have seen what else he could have done if he had more time.



I'll second that...

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It said he was loaned. I feel like the AHL team may be down a player, so we sent Mancari because it was easiest?

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I have no idea. It's just confusing.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
It said he was loaned. I feel like the AHL team may be down a player, so we sent Mancari because it was easiest?


That's the long and short of it.

You can "loan" a player to the AHL when he hasn't played a certain amount of games as per the CBA, but he will be immediately recalled after a few games. It prevents him from having to go through all the BS waiver stuff and such, although I dont believe Mancari is forced to go through waivers.

I know about 60% of the stuff in the CBA, and the other 40 is legal jargon, and loopholes and such that I don't remotely understand.

Yeah, he basically will be recalled once his "loan" is over.

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fly as hale wrote:
I have no idea. It's just confusing.


Yes this is indeed confusing. According to some posters on hf boards that in order for mancari to be recalled by the sabres he would have to go through waivers because it has been 4 years since he signed his first nhl contract and that gives him three years of exemption. But what I want to know is if there are any way's around this because if there's not than essentially he won't be able to be called up anymore because i'm sure some team would take him off waivers.


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If he was an emergency recall, then it makes sense why he has to go back right away. It's required under the emergency callup section of the CBA that a player called up on an emergency recall must be returned once the emergency condition has passed. It wouldn't matter if Stafford or Gaustad was ready; either one of them ready to go eliminates the emergency condition.

With respect to the 'loan' verbiage, every player that the Sabres have rights to and playing in Portland is loaned there. For the purposes of this, it's no different than whey you say 'assigned'.


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Squanto wrote:
If he was an emergency recall, then it makes sense why he has to go back right away. It's required under the emergency callup section of the CBA that a player called up on an emergency recall must be returned once the emergency condition has passed. It wouldn't matter if Stafford or Gaustad was ready; either one of them ready to go eliminates the emergency condition.

With respect to the 'loan' verbiage, every player that the Sabres have rights to and playing in Portland is loaned there. For the purposes of this, it's no different than whey you say 'assigned'.


Yeah, but the thing with the 'loan' verbiage is you can 'loan' a player to your affiliate for conditioning as well, and he doesn't have to mess with re-entry waivers. It's really just a confusing system, and hoping it's something they address with the new CBA they will be working on next year.

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It's just lawyerspeak, and yes, it's confusing and ambiguous.

Any time a player under contract to an NHL club is playing at the AHL level, they're considered 'loaned' or 'assigned', depending on which section of the CBA you're reading. There's a shitton of conditions that specify the terms of each loan, and a conditioning loan is one of those options.


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jvaccaro6 wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
It said he was loaned. I feel like the AHL team may be down a player, so we sent Mancari because it was easiest?


That's the long and short of it.

You can "loan" a player to the AHL when he hasn't played a certain amount of games as per the CBA, but he will be immediately recalled after a few games. It prevents him from having to go through all the BS waiver stuff and such, although I dont believe Mancari is forced to go through waivers.

I know about 60% of the stuff in the CBA, and the other 40 is legal jargon, and loopholes and such that I don't remotely understand.

Yeah, he basically will be recalled once his "loan" is over.


so he was "loaned" to the AHL or he was ''Loaned" to the big club? and when he is recalled he comes back to buffalo? i think ive just gone cross eyed.... which means he will be back this season? or can he be brought back this season with out fear of getting claimed?

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All players are 'property' of the NHL club. Any players that are sent to the AHL for any reason are said to have been loaned there.


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Sad thing is Tim Kennedy is the one that really needs to be sat. He hasn't done shit and he's a ghost when I watch them. Only thing is I don't want to jump on the guy too much because he's a rookie.
How can the sabres justify a roster spot for Mancari in the future when the guy has only played a handful of games. Unlike Kennedy who has about 50 or 60 games under his belt


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