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| Author: | fan4life61 [ Thu May 20, 2010 3:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | see management, you were wrong... |
here's a really good read about buffalo's lax approach to the offseason and deadline... http://joefromnyc.blogspot.com/2010/05/ ... lling.html Quote: The sound of pages getting turned and PR people spinning rhetoric are making its way to the HSBC Arena.
You see, when I watch the NHL playoffs, I can only relate outcomes of games/series to what might have been for the Sabres. Man, if only the Sabres had another scorer or if Ryan Miller played like he did in the Olympics. I try and look at the outcomes as a measuring stick for what the Sabres need to do in order to get to the top. The Sabres, on the other hand, have always used the postseason results as a way to make themselves look better. When Marian Hossa didn't win a cup with the Penguins, Darcy Regier pointed out that deadline deals are overrated and do nothing for your team. If it wasn't deadline deals, the Sabres would tell the public that the money that the Flyers and Hawks have invested in their teams via free agency did nothing for them in the playoffs. I've always been one to scoff at the Sabres for always acting arrogant in some ways of shooting down other team's methods of building a contender. You know what I'm talking about. It's either deadline deals don't improve your team crap or free agency is for the devil. The Sabres have been going with that thought/excuse process for far too long. Seriously, where do the Sabres get off telling fans why other team methods are wrong? Well, I opened this blog up by talking about the PR minds for the Sabres might be bugging out just about now. The reason for it has to do with the Final four in the playoffs. You see, the San Jose Sharks, the Chicago Black Hawks, the Montreal Canadians and the Philadelphia Flyers have used the business model that the Sabres have detested...greed...AKA, the Sabres being cheap and unimaginative with their roster. The Sabres have always made it a habit to crap on the teams that don't follow their methods. Like whenever free agency starts and someone signs "X player" for millions and we hear the garbage about how teams that go through free agency always get burned. All four of these teams in the final four were very aggressive last summer. They threw money at players via free agency or trades. Frankly, all four of these teams are the epitome of what the Sabres hate. Teams that spend money like drunken sailors at a bar during Spring Break. During last summer, I can remember hearing Larry Quinn on WGR putting down the business practices of the Canadians and Flyers. His argument for calling out the Flyers was for what they had given up for Chris Pronger. You know, the same crap we always hear with the Sabres raising their eyebrows whenever someone deals for a star player and make it out that the team gaining the star is losing their entire minor league system. Of course, trading isn't the only thing that gets under the skin of the Sabres. God forbid you actually decide to go out and sign free agents that are worth more than 2 million dollars. Well, all of the above teams have either traded for star players or signed mega-money players. If memory serves me correctly, a lot of the Sabre shills called out Montreal last summer for doing a complete overhaul on their roster. You know, it's not against the law to try and improve your team during the summer. Sorry, but Montreal was sick and tired of losing in the 1st round of the playoffs. Of course, free agency has been the key for Philly and Chicago for years now. Everyone keeps on waiting for the Apocalypse when both these teams are going to run out of cap room and will be cutting guys left and right and filling their squads with the Adam Mairs of the world. As for the Sharks, they didn't sit on their hands while having the hockey world call them out for being choke artists. They were aggressive and traded for Dany Heatley and are now a series away from getting to the team's first ever Cup Final. Here's the bottom line: The excuse of "free agency and giving excessive amounts of dough to players leads to nothing" has run its course with the Sabres. A team that has spent a ton of money on free agents and trades is going to win the Stanley Cup this year. If the money doesn't make you think twice where the Sabres are at, mix in the Stanley Cup match-ups for the last two years with the final four from this year and you'll see teams that are loaded with finishers. Like I've been saying all along, the era of New Jersey Devils clutching and grabbing is over. Just look at the final four goaltenders remaining. Even last year's four remaining teams didn't have all-world goaltenders. When Cam Ward has been the best goalie of the Finals for the last four years, that should tell you something. In the end, what should tell you something is that the Sabres need finishers. Whether it's trading for one or finally paying a number one center more than five million dollars, the Sabres need to keep up with the times. The teams that you are going to be watching now have made bold moves to get their clubs this deep into the playoffs. The ball is in Regier and Quinn's court. Then again, it's been in their court for years now. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Thu May 20, 2010 7:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
fan4life61 wrote: Like I've been saying all along, the era of New Jersey Devils clutching and grabbing is over. [/quote]I call bullshit on this, because it has just begun. Oh, and he's complaining about the Sabres complaining. LOL. Wahh!!! Sabres are saying they don't agree with people's methods! I have not heard ONCE Sabres management say they dislike the deals and it's a horrible idea. Yes, we seem cheap, but we don't have any CAP SPACE to make a FUCKING move. |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Thu May 20, 2010 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
There's so much about that blog post I wanna say but can't right now cuz I'm mobile. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Thu May 20, 2010 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
Isn't half of Chicago's roster actually home grown talent that they drafted? Sharp, Kane, Toews, Big Buff, Niemi, Keith? Yes they filled some key pieces and other spots with some free agency, but not a complete overhaul to acquire superstars for their team. |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Thu May 20, 2010 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
teams have different agendas. the sabres will be better next year, im not too worried. still, holes must be filled. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Fri May 21, 2010 12:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
I don't have the time or energy to dismantle this right now. But I will say that it's flawed. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Fri May 21, 2010 1:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Isn't half of Chicago's roster actually home grown talent that they drafted? Sharp, Kane, Toews, Big Buff, Niemi, Keith? Yes they filled some key pieces and other spots with some free agency, but not a complete overhaul to acquire superstars for their team. Yeah, that's their core. Not to mention Brouwer, Boland, Versteeg, and Seabrook. Combine that with what the author is talking about in free agency, and you have a scary team. The Sabres seem to have the whole drafting part down. It's that whole free agency thing they seem to have trouble with a lot. I think have to be willing to gamble in the FA pool every once in a while in order to succeed. |
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| Author: | X-pensfan [ Fri May 21, 2010 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
Quote: The teams that you are going to be watching now have made bold moves to get their clubs this deep into the playoffs. Maybe out in the West that's true, but the East is an absolute crap shoot. The league allows clutch and grab teams to slow down it's fast skating creative teams like Caps, Sabres, and Penguins so I'm not so sure you WANT to add more speed and talent. |
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| Author: | Displaced Fan [ Fri May 21, 2010 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
The whole build from within versus sign is somewhere in the middle in my opinion. Build your team from the ground up and have cohesion but you have to augment what you may lack in skill with someone from the outside. |
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| Author: | Los9090 [ Fri May 21, 2010 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: teams have different agendas. the sabres will be better next year, im not too worried. still, holes must be filled. Agreed, it could be a hell of a lot worse |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Fri May 21, 2010 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Isn't half of Chicago's roster actually home grown talent that they drafted? Sharp, Kane, Toews, Big Buff, Niemi, Keith? Yes they filled some key pieces and other spots with some free agency, but not a complete overhaul to acquire superstars for their team. Yeah, that's their core. Not to mention Brouwer, Boland, Versteeg, and Seabrook. Combine that with what the author is talking about in free agency, and you have a scary team. The Sabres seem to have the whole drafting part down. It's that whole free agency thing they seem to have trouble with a lot. I think have to be willing to gamble in the FA pool every once in a while in order to succeed. Uhh really? The Blackhawks free agent signings have been nothing but busts. Huet is a ridiculously expensive back-up, Hossa has done his usual post-season vanishing act, and Campbell will never earn his $8.5M. The only free agent who's worth anything on that team is Madden, and that's because he's only expected to be a grinder. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Fri May 21, 2010 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
JoeinNYC hasn't proven himself to be a very knowledgeable commentator on sports in general. I've seen his blog referenced before; a lot of his ideas and opinions are just downright shit. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri May 21, 2010 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
mechaphil wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Isn't half of Chicago's roster actually home grown talent that they drafted? Sharp, Kane, Toews, Big Buff, Niemi, Keith? Yes they filled some key pieces and other spots with some free agency, but not a complete overhaul to acquire superstars for their team. Yeah, that's their core. Not to mention Brouwer, Boland, Versteeg, and Seabrook. Combine that with what the author is talking about in free agency, and you have a scary team. The Sabres seem to have the whole drafting part down. It's that whole free agency thing they seem to have trouble with a lot. I think have to be willing to gamble in the FA pool every once in a while in order to succeed. Uhh really? The Blackhawks free agent signings have been nothing but busts. Huet is a ridiculously expensive back-up, Hossa has done his usual post-season vanishing act, and Campbell will never earn his $8.5M. The only free agent who's worth anything on that team is Madden, and that's because he's only expected to be a grinder. Most of what they have the drafted and developed was what I was getting at. And they added a few FA's but nothing to be the go to guys of. Their entire top line was drafted by Chicago. |
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| Author: | Wozniak [ Fri May 21, 2010 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: teams have different agendas. the sabres will be better next year, im not too worried. still, holes must be filled. thats what she said. while the sabres are going to be a little better it wont be much of a change unless Vanek gets back to form and they actually do something useful once free agency hits. the holes that the sabres have are being filled right now by players that dont have the required skill set to fill the hole properly. by the time that player is able to do that he has either been A: traded B: FA or C: the other people on the team that are required are already gone and the cycle repeats. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Sat May 22, 2010 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
mechaphil wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Isn't half of Chicago's roster actually home grown talent that they drafted? Sharp, Kane, Toews, Big Buff, Niemi, Keith? Yes they filled some key pieces and other spots with some free agency, but not a complete overhaul to acquire superstars for their team. Yeah, that's their core. Not to mention Brouwer, Boland, Versteeg, and Seabrook. Combine that with what the author is talking about in free agency, and you have a scary team. The Sabres seem to have the whole drafting part down. It's that whole free agency thing they seem to have trouble with a lot. I think have to be willing to gamble in the FA pool every once in a while in order to succeed. Uhh really? The Blackhawks free agent signings have been nothing but busts. Huet is a ridiculously expensive back-up, Hossa has done his usual post-season vanishing act, and Campbell will never earn his $8.5M. The only free agent who's worth anything on that team is Madden, and that's because he's only expected to be a grinder. They're bad contracts Phil. It's true. ...but they're also only one win away from the Stanley Cup finals where they'd play a 7 or 8 seed... |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Sat May 22, 2010 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
PuckSniperPensel wrote: mechaphil wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Isn't half of Chicago's roster actually home grown talent that they drafted? Sharp, Kane, Toews, Big Buff, Niemi, Keith? Yes they filled some key pieces and other spots with some free agency, but not a complete overhaul to acquire superstars for their team. Yeah, that's their core. Not to mention Brouwer, Boland, Versteeg, and Seabrook. Combine that with what the author is talking about in free agency, and you have a scary team. The Sabres seem to have the whole drafting part down. It's that whole free agency thing they seem to have trouble with a lot. I think have to be willing to gamble in the FA pool every once in a while in order to succeed. Uhh really? The Blackhawks free agent signings have been nothing but busts. Huet is a ridiculously expensive back-up, Hossa has done his usual post-season vanishing act, and Campbell will never earn his $8.5M. The only free agent who's worth anything on that team is Madden, and that's because he's only expected to be a grinder. They're bad contracts Phil. It's true. ...but they're also only one win away from the Stanley Cup finals where they'd play a 7 or 8 seed... And it has been purely on the backs of their homegrown kids that they've gotten there. Hossa has been useless, Huet hasn't seen a single minute in net, Dave Bolland has replaced Madden as their top penalty killer, and Soupy has a few assists but he's still a defensive liability. Chicago's heroes day in and day out are Toews, Kane, Byfuglien, Bolland, Versteeg, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, and Niemi - players who have only known the Blackhawks organization. My point is that there is no formula, no set plan that wins you Cups. And anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit. |
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| Author: | hakutaku [ Sat May 22, 2010 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
Yeah but Chicago is very lucky to be in the position they are in this year with all the talent they have gotten through the draft. They are going to be in a whole load of trouble next year though. They have way too many overpaid players on their roster this season, and next year is when their big contracts are going to really kick in. Kane, Toews, and Keith are all going from 1-1.5 mil a year contracts to 6.5-8 mil a year contracts, not to mention they already have Hossa for 8 mil, Huet for around 5.5 mil, Soupy for 7 mil, with those 6 guys alone they are spending 41.5 mil next year. Then add in Byfuglien, Versteeg, Bolland, Sharp, Seabrook, and Sopel contracts that all average about 3 mil a year, thats another 18 mil. For 12 guys they are paying 59.5 mil next year. Anyone wanna make bets on who they trade to free up cap space? |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Sat May 22, 2010 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
As long as the Sabres have Ryan Miller, we will never have great draft picks. We always do too good for a draft pick but too bad to win. |
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| Author: | sabresrocker56 [ Sat May 22, 2010 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
BlueandYellow wrote: As long as the Sabres have Ryan Miller, we will never have great draft picks. We always do too good for a draft pick but too bad to win. Damn you Miller! :p |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Sun May 23, 2010 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: see management, you were wrong... |
Point taken Phil. Well said. |
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