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Author:  NYIntensity [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Enroth v Lalime
What do you guys think? I think Jhonas has been great; I'd put them AT LEAST equal to each other.
Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
I'd say at this point, they are Equal with one another, they both stop plenty of shots, but allow bad goals at times. I'd run Enroth back to Portland one more year, and go with the experience that Lalime brings. It's been said time and time again he's a great guy in the room, and I wouldn't mess with chemistry, especially on a team where the veteran guys are talking about Stanley Cup run. If they believe we have a shot at it, you dont fuck with the chemistry in the room. I'm not talkin about guys like Darcy and Quinn saying it, I've heard it from Rivet, Grier, Nieds, and Miller. A few of those guys know what it takes to win on the big stage, and if they believe we have a shot, then I say leave things as is.
Author:  Ryan911T [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
jvaccaro6 wrote:
I'd say at this point, they are Equal with one another, they both stop plenty of shots, but allow bad goals at times. I'd run Enroth back to Portland one more year, and go with the experience that Lalime brings. It's been said time and time again he's a great guy in the room, and I wouldn't mess with chemistry, especially on a team where the veteran guys are talking about Stanley Cup run. If they believe we have a shot at it, you dont fuck with the chemistry in the room. I'm not talkin about guys like Darcy and Quinn saying it, I've heard it from Rivet, Grier, Nieds, and Miller. A few of those guys know what it takes to win on the big stage, and if they believe we have a shot, then I say leave things as is.


Exactly my thoughts.
Author:  NYIntensity [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
jvaccaro6 wrote:
I'd say at this point, they are Equal with one another, they both stop plenty of shots, but allow bad goals at times. I'd run Enroth back to Portland one more year, and go with the experience that Lalime brings. It's been said time and time again he's a great guy in the room, and I wouldn't mess with chemistry, especially on a team where the veteran guys are talking about Stanley Cup run. If they believe we have a shot at it, you dont fuck with the chemistry in the room. I'm not talkin about guys like Darcy and Quinn saying it, I've heard it from Rivet, Grier, Nieds, and Miller. A few of those guys know what it takes to win on the big stage, and if they believe we have a shot, then I say leave things as is.


You make great points. And I had the internal debate last night listening to the announcers on NHLN talk about where Enroth would be better; playing 10-15 NHL games or 60+ in the AHL.
Author:  PuckSniperPensel [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:42 am ]
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He'd be better playing a season in the AHL.

He can focus on fine tuning areas of his game there the way Miller did.
Author:  NYIntensity [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
He'd be better playing a season in the AHL.

He can focus on fine tuning areas of his game there the way Miller did.


How did Lalime miss that step? ;)
Author:  PuckSniperPensel [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
NYIntensity wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
He'd be better playing a season in the AHL.

He can focus on fine tuning areas of his game there the way Miller did.


How did Lalime miss that step? ;)


Pittsburgh and Ottawa rushed him.

He didn't even play AHL hockey. He was an IHL player.

Also, I think his pads are way too big. He looks slow as hell and I think it's because he can barely move underneath that amorphous blob of equipment.

If he lightened things up a little bit, I bet he'd be quicker and have better control.

But that's just me.
Author:  Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:55 pm ]
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Enroth back in Portland for another year to me. He needs one more year or two. He would do just fine as the backup but I'd much rather him get starting minutes before he relegates to a backup in the NHL.

The more games you play, the better you can get.
Author:  patkane88 [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
I have not watched alot of preseason games because I have no time and I find it extremely boring but when I did watch, Lalime looked like shit against the Toronto Marlies and Enroth looked better in the half game against the Marlies and much better in the Habs game.
Author:  slesh [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
Valid points are made on experience, but I'd go with Enroth.
I've seen mentioned the term "Cup Run".
You want this team to make a "Cup Run", you better be prepared to rest Miller alot more than he had last season, and do it with a goaltender that can help win games while he's in.

With that said, I'll take Enroth over Lalime. I've seen what Lalime has, Enroth I feel is the much better choice to give Miller 20 to 25 games worth of rest through the season. He's young, he's an unknown but has so much more upswing than Lalime and experience be dammed in my book. The team wants a guy in net they can feed off of for confidence as the season progresses.
That guy to me is Enroth, not Lalime.
Author:  Skyline_BNR34 [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:34 pm ]
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I disagree with the whole resting of Miller thing like some try to put it.

He is expected to play at least 70 games. That is 12 games of not playing, or one ever 8 games played he rests. I don't get this whole resting of a goaltending. He didn't even look tired after everything last year.

You have a starting goaltending and he needs to play at least 70 games, 12 games of rest is fine for someone. If Miller ends up playing more then 10 in a row something is wrong, but every 9th game or so he doesn't play would be perfect.

If you have a tandem of goalies when one isn't a clear cut number one, I'd say split the time pretty evenly, but Broduer, Miller, Luongo, Fluery, Howard, and those number one guys, should be expected to play 70 games a year. Broduer is expected to play 75 or so games a year, that's resting him once every 10 games too.

This years schedule isn't as compact as last years also.
Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
The thing I like about Enroth is it seems his style is more similar to Miller's than Lalime's. It seems prudent to have a backup that plays a similar style to your starter so the skaters don't have to tailor their game to who's in net. Not that they should anyways.
Author:  Displaced Fan [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
Well, personally I think the team plays like shit in front of Lalime because they don't trust in him. They change up their style of play when he's in net and it shows. I honestly don't see Enroth doing any worse, and since I didn't want to see Lalime again this year I'd be happy.
Author:  mechaphil [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:33 pm ]
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If Lalime's groin doesn't get any better, this thread may be a moot discussion.
Author:  Displaced Fan [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
True. If its his groin it makes it better than choosing to send him down and risk pissing off Miller
Author:  mechaphil [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:45 pm ]
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That as well.
Author:  Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:58 pm ]
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Would anybody consider trading Enroth for a high draft pick while his value is seemingly high? Miller is a franchise goalie and he could conceivably play until he's Brodeur's age with his work ethic... Just a thought.
Author:  slesh [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Would anybody consider trading Enroth for a high draft pick while his value is seemingly high? Miller is a franchise goalie and he could conceivably play until he's Brodeur's age with his work ethic... Just a thought.

Actually, as unpopular as the statement I'm about to make is, I'd be looking at exactly the opposite of this question.
Trading Miller as opposed to Enroth, and here is my reasoning, although, I must warn you, its not sound strategy but we do have a potential Goalie dilemma developing down the road.

1. CV is correct. If you watch Enroth closely, his style is very similiar to Miller's. That may or may not translate into the same amount of focus and hence, success. I am glad you brought that up CV and great eye to catch it. I noticed in his last appearance he played the butterfly very effectively and had a sense of focus like Miller did when he started out as well.

2. Miller is 30 yrs old, Enroth is 22 yrs old. If (and this is really the question to be answered), if Enroth can find that same focus and competitive edge that Miller has, he is the future Goalie of the franchise with many more years of servicibility than Miller has given his age.

3. It has been said keeping Enroth in the AHL to allow him to sharpen his skills this season even further is a good idea. I suggest putting Enroth as a backup to Miller now and allowing Miller to tutor him is of far more value than games played in the AHL at this point and time. Its debatable on both fronts but Miller's knowledge is far more valuable in my opinion.

4. Miller established himself as the starting goaltender for the Sabres in the 2005–06 season at the age of 25.
Lets look at 2 factors here and sub-divide this particular subject:
4a. Millers remaining length of contract = 4 years at $6.25 mil a season.
Miller will be 33 years old, still in his prime and would fetch a very hefty return in a trade scenairio.
4b. Enroth's established age at the end of Millers 3rd year of his current contract = 25.
If Enroth can match or even exceed Miller's early career performance it would be prudent to move forward with him.

5. There is, of course, player loyalty for service rendered and the money side of the equation from a business standpoint.
Ryan Miller is the face of this franchise, and as such, brings in a boatload of money and respect for the Sabres organization. Hence, if Enroth can take both on and off ice tutolage from Miller, it would be another prudent move.

All of this, of course, is merely speculation, for as much as I like Enroth so far, Miller is still my choice hands down without a secondary thought on the subject, but, and it must be noted, if Enroth can turn out performances like Miller, my choice is Enroth hands down if only for the benefits of the organization as a whole. Miller's loyalty to this club and this city are well known, but hockey is a business first and foremost and there are vairables to consider that could immensily benefit the club, the city and its fan base for years to come if Enroth can take the Miller road.

Just my 2 cents is all.
Author:  Squanto [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Enroth v Lalime
Enroth's style may be similar to Miller, but his skill level isn't even close. Enroth will never be half the goaltender that Miller is.

I respect your points, but there will never be a goalie dilemma between Enroth and Miller.
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:31 am ]
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Miller is 6"3, Enroth is 5"10.

Miller has twice the positioning that Enroth does.

Enroth is not our future. I don't know why so many people like him, but he SUUUUCCCCKKKKSSSSS.... HORRIBLY.
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