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Just got back from Chi-town. Some random observations:

Geeez, the Untied Center is f-ing loud! When the Hawks score, you might want to put in some earplugs....and it goes on for a little longer than goal celebrations at HSBC.

For a guy who, I thought, was on the down-swing career-wise, Turco made some really nice saves (we were behind him for periods 1 & 3).

NO CUPHOLDERS on the seasts at the UC! WTF? That little addition makes a WORLD of difference!

Holy shit...between the NHL & NBA, they have tons of banners in the rafters. Always more impressive in person.

Was NOT a good night to flag down a cab outside the UC. Had to walk blocks towrd downtown to get one. Yikes!

And finally: Maybe it was more noticeable in person, but as much as Sabre fans are complaining here about bad calls, there really were a bunch of calls that should've been made on Sabres that weren't, particularly, if I remember correctly, a Connolly hook in the 2nd.

My son had a Miller jersey on, and believe it or not, the ONLY ones to make any comments about it were Chicago CHICKS! My son told them to fuck off. (Just kidding)

If you're ever going to check out a Sabre away game, Chicago is a good place to start.

And oh yea:

Take the "C" from Rivet

and....

Get rid of Darcy. Team needs solid top 2 lines. Until they do that, you will never convince me that the front office gives a shit about the cup.

And finally: Maybe it was more noticeable in person, but as much as Sabre fans are complaining here about bad calls, there really were a bunch of calls that should've been made on Sabres that weren't, particularly, if I remember correctly, a Connolly hook in the 2nd.

powerplayer wrote:

That's almost always the case, honestly. I disdain complaints about the officiating if the complaints are centered on one team. They rarely call things on one team but not another. If they're not calling them on the opponent, chances are they're not calling them on your team, either, but you don't notice; however, if you visit other forums around the league, opposing fans certainly do (while not noticing what their team gets away with).

One of my sports fan pet peeves.

i was at that game too. i was in the upper deck behind lalime for periods 1 and 3.

Ummm Darcy still has to work with an internal budget, if we want real talent in here, get owners who want to win the Cup.

If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Darcy has not made the best use of an internal budget. When goal scorers are available at low prices, he should have made a move to sign one.

If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year.

Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible.

Sabretooth wrote:

Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible.

Guess he's thinking about retirement, I still say once Pominville comes back that he should be it. I thought he was outstanding during the rotating captaincy season in 07/08

Los9090 wrote:

Sabretooth wrote:

Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible.

Guess he's thinking about retirement, I still say once Pominville comes back that he should be it. I thought he was outstanding during the rotating captaincy season in 07/08

I think that was a matter of catching Pominville at the right time. Pominville is always an end-of-season player, and always plays above standards. He was the captain at that time during the rotation. He still is consistently an above-and-beyond player towards the end of the season.

However, I've always been a proponent of Pominville being the captain. If we're gonna go by leading by example, I'd pick Roy or Pominville. They're consistently the top point getters on the team, and the league's shift to more "lead-by-example" captains (i.e. Toews, Crosby, Sedin, etc.) has seemingly worked for these teams.

Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

Los9090 wrote:

Sabretooth wrote:

Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible.

Guess he's thinking about retirement, I still say once Pominville comes back that he should be it. I thought he was outstanding during the rotating captaincy season in 07/08

You mean "lead by example high point producers"? I think Grier would be a candidate but who knows how much longer he'll be here?

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year.

Darcy had free reign over the team and was allowed to spend to the cap from the lockout until this year, and he's only gotten them to the conference finals.

He failed miserably in keeping those teams together, and bet on the wrong players.

Squanto wrote:

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year.

Well it takes more then one or two years most of the time to build a team to win a cup without top draft picks.

Author:	powerplayer [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Watching Sabres on the road
Just got back from Chi-town. Some random observations: Geeez, the Untied Center is f-ing loud! When the Hawks score, you might want to put in some earplugs....and it goes on for a little longer than goal celebrations at HSBC. For a guy who, I thought, was on the down-swing career-wise, Turco made some really nice saves (we were behind him for periods 1 & 3). NO CUPHOLDERS on the seasts at the UC! WTF? That little addition makes a WORLD of difference! Holy shit...between the NHL & NBA, they have tons of banners in the rafters. Always more impressive in person. Was NOT a good night to flag down a cab outside the UC. Had to walk blocks towrd downtown to get one. Yikes! And finally: Maybe it was more noticeable in person, but as much as Sabre fans are complaining here about bad calls, there really were a bunch of calls that should've been made on Sabres that weren't, particularly, if I remember correctly, a Connolly hook in the 2nd. My son had a Miller jersey on, and believe it or not, the ONLY ones to make any comments about it were Chicago CHICKS! My son told them to fuck off. (Just kidding) If you're ever going to check out a Sabre away game, Chicago is a good place to start. And oh yea: Take the "C" from Rivet and.... Get rid of Darcy. Team needs solid top 2 lines. Until they do that, you will never convince me that the front office gives a shit about the cup.

Author:	Sabretooth [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:02 am ]
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Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible. I will not doubt ridding ourselves of Darcy. It is obvious he disappears when we are on a losing streak. He is afraid to make beneficial changes to the team to start winning.

Author:	sabresrocker56 [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:25 am ]
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AHH DARCY SUXXXX! FIRE HIM!!! /thread Can this be locked/deleted now? Although, as to not come off as a complete jerk, I do agree that Rivet's leadership does not seem to be showing. Maybe a change in the captaincy would not be such a bad thing.

Author:	Displaced Fan [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:28 am ]
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I agree that with Miller in net, the addition of one-three serious forwards could get us in cup contending form. I do get the feeling that the owners aren't invested for a serious cup run and won't be until they start losing big money from ticket sales etc. I don't like Darcy much but the problem is above him.

Author:	Wozniak [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
powerplayer wrote: Just got back from Chi-town. Some random observations: Geeez, the Untied Center is f-ing loud! When the Hawks score, you might want to put in some earplugs....and it goes on for a little longer than goal celebrations at HSBC. For a guy who, I thought, was on the down-swing career-wise, Turco made some really nice saves (we were behind him for periods 1 & 3). NO CUPHOLDERS on the seasts at the UC! WTF? That little addition makes a WORLD of difference! Holy shit...between the NHL & NBA, they have tons of banners in the rafters. Always more impressive in person. Was NOT a good night to flag down a cab outside the UC. Had to walk blocks towrd downtown to get one. Yikes! And finally: Maybe it was more noticeable in person, but as much as Sabre fans are complaining here about bad calls, there really were a bunch of calls that should've been made on Sabres that weren't, particularly, if I remember correctly, a Connolly hook in the 2nd. My son had a Miller jersey on, and believe it or not, the ONLY ones to make any comments about it were Chicago CHICKS! My son told them to fuck off. (Just kidding) If you're ever going to check out a Sabre away game, Chicago is a good place to start. And oh yea: Take the "C" from Rivet and.... Get rid of Darcy. Team needs solid top 2 lines. Until they do that, you will never convince me that the front office gives a shit about the cup. i was at that game too. i was in the upper deck behind lalime for periods 1 and 3.

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Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
Ummm Darcy still has to work with an internal budget, if we want real talent in here, get owners who want to win the Cup. If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year.

Author:	acrossthelines [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:59 pm ]
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powerplayer wrote: And finally: Maybe it was more noticeable in person, but as much as Sabre fans are complaining here about bad calls, there really were a bunch of calls that should've been made on Sabres that weren't, particularly, if I remember correctly, a Connolly hook in the 2nd. That's almost always the case, honestly. I disdain complaints about the officiating if the complaints are centered on one team. They rarely call things on one team but not another. If they're not calling them on the opponent, chances are they're not calling them on your team, either, but you don't notice; however, if you visit other forums around the league, opposing fans certainly do (while not noticing what their team gets away with). One of my sports fan pet peeves.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:32 pm ]
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ZOMG Darcy NEEDS TO GET FIRED! I don't need any factual information or any understanding of how being a GM works! I know from NHL 11 dawg! Dane Cook is funny! ZOMG!

Author:	SABRESAllTheWay [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:33 pm ]
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acrossthelines wrote: powerplayer wrote: And finally: Maybe it was more noticeable in person, but as much as Sabre fans are complaining here about bad calls, there really were a bunch of calls that should've been made on Sabres that weren't, particularly, if I remember correctly, a Connolly hook in the 2nd. That's almost always the case, honestly. I disdain complaints about the officiating if the complaints are centered on one team. They rarely call things on one team but not another. If they're not calling them on the opponent, chances are they're not calling them on your team, either, but you don't notice; however, if you visit other forums around the league, opposing fans certainly do (while not noticing what their team gets away with). One of my sports fan pet peeves. Ref's will be biased, but then call some penalties on the other team just to make it look even on paper. This method is very inconsistent, and the only real thing I want out of the refs is consistency. If you call hooking on Buffalo, then the next hook from (whatever team Buffalo is playing) better damn well be called. If they want to let a few interference calls go from (whatever team Buffalo is playing), then they better damn well let a few interference calls go from Buffalo.

Author:	powerplayer [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:37 pm ]
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Wozniak wrote: i was at that game too. i was in the upper deck behind lalime for periods 1 and 3. So you got to sit under all those Bulls championship banners, while I sat under a bunch of Stanley Cup banners. Neener, neener, neener!

Author:	Sabretooth [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Ummm Darcy still has to work with an internal budget, if we want real talent in here, get owners who want to win the Cup. If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year. Darcy has not made the best use of an internal budget. When goal scorers are available at low prices, he should have made a move to sign one.

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:06 am ]
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Sabretooth wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Ummm Darcy still has to work with an internal budget, if we want real talent in here, get owners who want to win the Cup. If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year. Darcy has not made the best use of an internal budget. When goal scorers are available at low prices, he should have made a move to sign one. And who are these low price goal scorers? I don't know anyone who can score 30+ goals signed for less than 5 million dollars it seems right now.

Author:	Squanto [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:06 pm ]
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote: If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year. Darcy had free reign over the team and was allowed to spend to the cap from the lockout until this year, and he's only gotten them to the conference finals. He failed miserably in keeping those teams together, and bet on the wrong players.

Author:	Los9090 [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
Sabretooth wrote: Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible. Guess he's thinking about retirement, I still say once Pominville comes back that he should be it. I thought he was outstanding during the rotating captaincy season in 07/08

Author:	powerplayer [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Well it takes more then one or two years most of the time to build a team to win a cup without top draft picks. Of course the window of opportunity for many teams is open for a fairly brief amount of time. Many commentators around WNY acknowledged with the loss of Drury & Briere, that the window had now been closed. Many fans rejected this idea, figuring anything can happen. I have never believed that. Consider that the odds of a team going far are based on so many variables, including: players coming in players leaving players on the upswing of their career players peaking players on the downslide free agency injuries The list goes on. Also consider the multitude of variables affecting all the teams they play in the course of a season and how those variables effect the liklihood of winning against all those teams night after night. A team is this amorphous thing that is constanly in flux, which makes it especially difficult for most managers to maintain at a consistant level. Many things do have to align properly for a great record to be built, but obviously the most important thing is a STRONG and TALENTED CORE. That, IMHO is the singualr most important factor outweighing all those other variables, which is why I believe, in spite of what some say here, that you are not likely to luck your way into the cup with a mixed bag of talent at your core. Not absolutely impossible, but highly improbable. Darcy and his bosses seem to want to gamble instead of purposely stacking the deck in their favor. And this front office "we love our players" nonsense makes me laugh. They sure didn't love Kennedy, especially when he wanted more money. What's that? They were just being financially judicious? Oh, well why then didn't they pick him up for the 550k before the Rangers snagged him? They could've, but chose not to---even though that is a lot less $$$ than they were already paying him last season. But I thought they loved their players, especially one that had been nurtured through the system, especially a hometown boy for cryin' out loud? No, in reality, what they love is $$$. I cannot blame them, it IS a business, which is why I am convinced, under this ownership, that decisions are made weighing the cost of winning a cup vs. the cost of just keeping fans hanging on. Of course there is a chance the GM isn't as intuitive as some like to think. In either case, change the GM and change the core. Cups don't fall into a team's lap, you have to go get them.

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Author:	Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:13 pm ]
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Los9090 wrote: Sabretooth wrote: Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible. Guess he's thinking about retirement, I still say once Pominville comes back that he should be it. I thought he was outstanding during the rotating captaincy season in 07/08 I think that was a matter of catching Pominville at the right time. Pominville is always an end-of-season player, and always plays above standards. He was the captain at that time during the rotation. He still is consistently an above-and-beyond player towards the end of the season. However, I've always been a proponent of Pominville being the captain. If we're gonna go by leading by example, I'd pick Roy or Pominville. They're consistently the top point getters on the team, and the league's shift to more "lead-by-example" captains (i.e. Toews, Crosby, Sedin, etc.) has seemingly worked for these teams.

Author:	Los9090 [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Los9090 wrote: Sabretooth wrote: Rivet is an invisible captain. Our next captain should be visible. Guess he's thinking about retirement, I still say once Pominville comes back that he should be it. I thought he was outstanding during the rotating captaincy season in 07/08 I think that was a matter of catching Pominville at the right time. Pominville is always an end-of-season player, and always plays above standards. He was the captain at that time during the rotation. He still is consistently an above-and-beyond player towards the end of the season. However, I've always been a proponent of Pominville being the captain. If we're gonna go by leading by example, I'd pick Roy or Pominville. They're consistently the top point getters on the team, and the league's shift to more "lead-by-example" captains (i.e. Toews, Crosby, Sedin, etc.) has seemingly worked for these teams. You mean "lead by example high point producers"? I think Grier would be a candidate but who knows how much longer he'll be here?

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Watching Sabres on the road
Squanto wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: If Darcy is givin free reign over a team, I would bet his teams would make serious pushes towards a cup every year. Darcy had free reign over the team and was allowed to spend to the cap from the lockout until this year, and he's only gotten them to the conference finals. He failed miserably in keeping those teams together, and bet on the wrong players. Well it takes more then one or two years most of the time to build a team to win a cup without top draft picks.