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 Post subject: Rivet's Fading Captaincy
PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:39 pm 
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Per TBN, Ruff unsure if Rivet will be in lineup tonight. "We'll see whether we put him in or not," Ruff said. "It's tough, but the team has been rolling pretty good."

To me, this is clearly a continued vote of no-confidence for your captain. Lindy needs to step up and make a decision before he loses the team. Either play your captain or give the "C" to Roy. There's no shame in an older player whose lost some skill relinquishing the role. How can Rivet garner respect and maintain leadership as a captain if he's not even deemed worthy enough to be on the ice? If captaincy is as integral a part of the team's success as many claim, then he needs to be out there or stripped of the "C".


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:42 pm 
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We already have a couple of threads on this.

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The correct choice for captain is who Lindy and the players want, not who the fans want.

Lindy doesn't have to make a vote of no-confidence in Rivet. He can simply take the C if he wants. It's his call. Yes, the players voted for Rivet, but he has the authority to change it if he wants to.

Honestly, I think all this fan grousing about the captaincy is stupid, and shouldn't be a concern to anyone outside that locker room. (I'm not singling you out DF, just commenting in general on the subject.)


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I don't see it as Lindy questioning Rivet's ability to be an effective captain at this point, the team simply is winning and Lindy just doesn't want to make any roster changes. Lindy has always been known for not wanting to make any roster changes after a win, you know how superstitious hockey players can be.

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DieHardFan wrote:
Per TBN, Ruff unsure if Rivet will be in lineup tonight. "We'll see whether we put him in or not," Ruff said. "It's tough, but the team has been rolling pretty good."

To me, this is clearly a continued vote of no-confidence for your captain. Lindy needs to step up and make a decision before he loses the team. Either play your captain or give the "C" to Roy. There's no shame in an older player whose lost some skill relinquishing the role. How can Rivet garner respect and maintain leadership as a captain if he's not even deemed worthy enough to be on the ice? If captaincy is as integral a part of the team's success as many claim, then he needs to be out there or stripped of the "C".



Why do we need another thread about it, and WHY would you want to change anything right now? Taking time to give Roy the Captaincy could mess with the momentum. I say ignore it.

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I would think the best way for Rivet to save face is to surrender the "C" with the simple explaination that "I'm not playing at the level I need to be playing at to lead this team".

It mwould be a respectable, honorable and professional gesture that would make him look pretty good actually.

Problem solved.


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Squanto wrote:
The correct choice for captain is who Lindy and the players want, not who the fans want.

Lindy doesn't have to make a vote of no-confidence in Rivet. He can simply take the C if he wants. It's his call. Yes, the players voted for Rivet, but he has the authority to change it if he wants to.

Honestly, I think all this fan grousing about the captaincy is stupid, and shouldn't be a concern to anyone outside that locker room. (I'm not singling you out DF, just commenting in general on the subject.)


Sorry for rehashing previous threads. But I couldn't disagree more with your last statement, which implies that since we aren't in the locker room, we shouldn't state an opinion on the matter. Isn't that kinda the point of having a message board, so hacks like us can have fun and argue amongst ourselves? Like all the talking heads on CNN, Fox, etc...


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powerplayer wrote:
I would think the best way for Rivet to save face is to surrender the "C" with the simple explaination that "I'm not playing at the level I need to be playing at to lead this team".

It mwould be a respectable, honorable and professional gesture that would make him look pretty good actually.

Problem solved.


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I'm not saying that nobody should have an opinion about the captaincy.

I'm saying that I don't think it requires all the discussion and attention that it gets.


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I don't think it's about his captainship, it's about his play on the ice, which has clearly lacked.

You go with your best players period.

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powerplayer wrote:
I would think the best way for Rivet to save face is to surrender the "C" with the simple explaination that "I'm not playing at the level I need to be playing at to lead this team".

It mwould be a respectable, honorable and professional gesture that would make him look pretty good actually.

Problem solved.



If I had to guess, i'd say it's either dawned on Craig recently, or will soon that this is the path that will help the team the most. Although, i'd guess that he'd go to ruff first and say what he wants to do, asking for advice/input/whatever on where they should go from there.

I'd respect him a lot for doing that. Also it would be a cool little moment, him sort of handing it off to someone else, possibly in front of the team. he really could play it off like "this team needs a captain who represents the future, blah blah blah."

But for some reason I cannot identify, I think that we will go the entire season with Rivet as captain.


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I don't think Rivet is a good captain, but then again I can't of anyone on this team currently that WOULD be a good captain. Maybe Montador or Grier? I dunno...


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I dont think any of us should be saying things like Rivet isn't a good captain, he doesn't deserve it and such. Fact of the matter is when this team had no one to lead them, he was chosen to, and as a new member to the team. That had to have been difficult. We aren't in the locker room every day and we have no idea who speaks up and who truly leads this team. But I know that if any of the young players have stepped up as a leader recently, a big thanks goes to Rivet for showing that particular player how lead a team and what it takes to be a captain. Maybe he shouldn't be captain anymore but he's done an admirable job coming into a situation like he did.

EDIT: forgot a word.

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DieHardFan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
I would think the best way for Rivet to save face is to surrender the "C" with the simple explaination that "I'm not playing at the level I need to be playing at to lead this team".

It mwould be a respectable, honorable and professional gesture that would make him look pretty good actually.

Problem solved.


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Addendum:

"Whoever feels he can lead by example by showing up every shift of every game to work hard to win and sharing your knowledge of success and failtures with others to make a better band of brothers, you should be able to be captain. Unless you all step up to take things seriously, none of you will be ready to assume this role."

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Rivet surrendering the C would mean we're exactly right about the kind of leader he is.

Because he hasn't done so, he must be a little bit more important than we all realize.

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DieHardFan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
I would think the best way for Rivet to save face is to surrender the "C" with the simple explaination that "I'm not playing at the level I need to be playing at to lead this team".

It mwould be a respectable, honorable and professional gesture that would make him look pretty good actually.

Problem solved.


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Suppose this guy would like to sign another NHL contract. Do you think this honorable and professional gesture will work against him? I do. This is as silly as the person who said he wouldn't take another $3.5 million if it were offered to him, because he's "all set". Seriously, greed DOES make the world go round. Especially the 6 zeroes kind.


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daz28 wrote:
DieHardFan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
I would think the best way for Rivet to save face is to surrender the "C" with the simple explaination that "I'm not playing at the level I need to be playing at to lead this team".

It mwould be a respectable, honorable and professional gesture that would make him look pretty good actually.

Problem solved.


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Suppose this guy would like to sign another NHL contract. Do you think this honorable and professional gesture will work against him? I do. This is as silly as the person who said he wouldn't take another $3.5 million if it were offered to him, because he's "all set". Seriously, greed DOES make the world go round. Especially the 6 zeroes kind.


Ironically, surrendering the "C" is Rivet's BEST avenue to getting resigned, if that's even possible at this point.

Reason? If you wanna pull the "C" from a guy who's not cutting it, you may as well do it by getting rid of him altogether rather than pulling the C and leaving him embarrassed on the team. Causes a lot of resentment potentially. If he surrenders it himself, he looks like a guy who puts the team first. That's A LOT less embarrassing.


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I get the feeling we will not see Rivet on the ice again.

He was not expected to play against Tampa, yet he showed up in the lineup. It was coincidentally his 900th. game. Now he's out again.

Is it possible Lindy threw him in one last time to get that 900th game, knowing that's probably his last chance?


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powerplayer wrote:
I get the feeling we will not see Rivet on the ice again.

He was not expected to play against Tampa, yet he showed up in the lineup. It was coincidentally his 900th. game. Now he's out again.

Is it possible Lindy threw him in one last time to get that 900th game, knowing that's probably his last chance?


I think the Rivet era in Buffalo is over. Unless there's an injury (which there more than likely will be), I say we never see him playing in a Sabres uniform. I'd say we'd see Chris Butler dressed before Rivet.

He's just been God awful.

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