Psst, you forgot goalies
Miller and Lalime put you way over self imposed cap, and over salary cap as well.
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
Not another thread bemoaning their loss, just kind of speculating about the impact. Thinking out loud I guess. I'm wondering if we would have been better in the long run had we signed those two guys. They have a combined $13.5M cap hit and have been underwhelming since leaving. We would likely have let Vanek walk to Edmonton then, and probably wouldn't have kept Pominville either, but we would have gotten those four number one picks from Edmonton which were Gagner, Eberle, Svensson, and Hall. So our lineup would include Briere, Drury, Hecht, Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Stafford, Gaustad, Kaleta, Ennis, Grier, Niedermayer, McCormick, Gerbe, Myers, Sekera, Svensson, Butler, Rivet, Leopold, Montador, Weber, Morrisonn. So basically we'd have a cotillion of 20 goal scorers and a bolstered defense. |
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| Author: | X-pensfan [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
This thread ruled the first 3 times I read it. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
I don't think anyone's speculated to that extent before. Typically it's just been commentary on how Darcy Regier sucks. If you follow Nick Mendola (which you probably don't), he was talking about this very topic on Friday's show so, making the point that the Sabres would be worse off with B/D still around so the point is relevant and current. I'm assuming that if we had Svensson, we probably wouldn't have drafted Myers. since that creates a logjam on defense. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
X-pensfan wrote: This thread ruled the first 3 times I read it. I don't think anyone has speculated beyond just bemoaning the loss and offering commentary on Darcy. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
Grass is always greener, but consider this; who's to say we would have drafted Eberle, Hall, Gagner, Svesson? Given our recent draft history it's more likely we draft Nemisz over Eberle, then in 09 Draft Kassian over Svesson, and with our pick draft, Rundblad, 2010 we probably do draft Hall, and in 07, I doubt we take another right winger having 4 on the roster at that point, and probably take Voracek to shore up the center position. Take those 3 players out, sub in the 3 we may have drafted, and that line up looks like a lot of crap to me. We have made it a habit of drafting large (players over 6' 185lbs) since 07; if that trend stayed, we'd only really have Hall, who is looking like a decent player, but certainly not a franchise guy. |
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| Author: | sabretoothpick [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
That's speculation at its wildest. You could never know if Edmonton would have finished like they did with Vanek and without their draft picks and if Buffalo would have been able to draft Ennis or Myers (probably different picks)... What if games are nonsense. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
sabretoothpick wrote: That's speculation at its wildest. You could never know if Edmonton would have finished like they did with Vanek and without their draft picks and if Buffalo would have been able to draft Ennis or Myers (probably different picks)... What if games are nonsense. I think that was the point he was trying to make. The future of this team would look a lot different, and we would have a shit ton of 2nd/3rd line talent in our top 6; as it is right now we only have 1.5 true first line players when Roy is healthy. (Roy could be a great first line player if he had someone other than Vanek to pass to) |
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| Author: | X-pensfan [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
CriminallyVu1gar wrote: X-pensfan wrote: This thread ruled the first 3 times I read it. I don't think anyone has speculated beyond just bemoaning the loss and offering commentary on Darcy. Yeah mecaphil pretty much said all those same things before. There's so many variables that the discussion becomes a guessing game of "what if" scenarios. Even if this thread goes 39 pages long, I can summarize it all right here: The team would have been better then, and still would be better today had Brierre stayed. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
I know it's speculation, like I said, just thinking out loud and playing with some numbers. I didn't know if that "fantasy" team was even under cap (it is). |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
CriminallyVu1gar wrote: I know it's speculation, like I said, just thinking out loud and playing with some numbers. I didn't know if that "fantasy" team was even under cap (it is). It was close; cut Leopold off there, and put in Weber/Gragnani full time, and you're right on. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
jvaccaro6 wrote: sabretoothpick wrote: That's speculation at its wildest. You could never know if Edmonton would have finished like they did with Vanek and without their draft picks and if Buffalo would have been able to draft Ennis or Myers (probably different picks)... What if games are nonsense. I think that was the point he was trying to make. The future of this team would look a lot different, and we would have a shit ton of 2nd/3rd line talent in our top 6; as it is right now we only have 1.5 true first line players when Roy is healthy. (Roy could be a great first line player if he had someone other than Vanek to pass to) Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I just wanted to play around with the numbers to see what I got, figured it would be worth discussing here, especially since Mendola mentioned it on Friday. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
jvaccaro6 wrote: CriminallyVu1gar wrote: I know it's speculation, like I said, just thinking out loud and playing with some numbers. I didn't know if that "fantasy" team was even under cap (it is). It was close; cut Leopold off there, and put in Weber/Gragnani full time, and you're right on. I got pretty far under, even with Pominville. Daniel Briere $6,500,000 Chris Drury $7,050,000 Jochen Hecht $3,525,000 Sam Gagner $2,275,000 Jordan Eberle $1,158,333 Taylor Hall $3,750,000 Paul Gaustad $2,300,000 Drew Stafford $1,900,000 Patrick Kaleta $907,500 Tyler Ennis $850,000 Mike Grier $1,500,000 Rob Niedermayer $1,250,000 Cody Mccormick $500,000 Nathan Gerbe $800,000 Jason Pominville $5,300,000 Tyler Myers $1,300,000 Andrej Sekera $1,000,000 Magnus Svensson $1,525,000 Chris Butler $850,000 Jordan Leopold $3,000,000 Steve Montador $1,550,000 Mike Weber $550,000 Shaone Morrisonn $2,075,000 Craig Rivet $3,500,000 $54,915,833 |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
No offense, but I don't even see why this is worthy of discussion. There's no way to know that the Sabres would have taken those specific players. There's too many variables involved to say that Edmonton would have performed the same way with Vanek and had the exact same draft slots that would have come to Buffalo, let alone just assume that Buffalo would have drafted the same players with those picks. Things played out the way they did. Why waste energy trying to create fantasy history and speculate what might have happened? |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
Psst, you forgot goalies Miller and Lalime put you way over self imposed cap, and over salary cap as well. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
jvaccaro6 wrote: Psst, you forgot goalies Miller and Lalime put you way over self imposed cap, and over salary cap as well. Durrrr, haha. Yeah good call. It's early and I'm sick and have a total of 9 hours sleep the past two days. 
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
Pssh; no excuses back to the dungeon! |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
Squanto wrote: No offense, but I don't even see why this is worthy of discussion. There's no way to know that the Sabres would have taken those specific players. There's too many variables involved to say that Edmonton would have performed the same way with Vanek and had the exact same draft slots that would have come to Buffalo, let alone just assume that Buffalo would have drafted the same players with those picks. Things played out the way they did. Why waste energy trying to create fantasy history and speculate what might have happened? Thought it was interesting to think about/appropriate for an internet forum. My bad. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
I didn't say that it wasn't appropriate. I just don't see the point of the mental exercise. You can think about and analyze what might have happened until you're blue in the face, I just personally don't see the point. No matter how many scenarios you come up with, you can never accurately describe what may have happened, and it doesn't change the outcome of what did happen. |
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| Author: | sabretoothpick [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
CriminallyVu1gar wrote: jvaccaro6 wrote: CriminallyVu1gar wrote: I know it's speculation, like I said, just thinking out loud and playing with some numbers. I didn't know if that "fantasy" team was even under cap (it is). It was close; cut Leopold off there, and put in Weber/Gragnani full time, and you're right on. I got pretty far under, even with Pominville. Daniel Briere $6,500,000 Chris Drury $7,050,000 Jochen Hecht $3,525,000 Sam Gagner $2,275,000 Jordan Eberle $1,158,333 Taylor Hall $3,750,000 Paul Gaustad $2,300,000 Drew Stafford $1,900,000 Patrick Kaleta $907,500 Tyler Ennis $850,000 Mike Grier $1,500,000 Rob Niedermayer $1,250,000 Cody Mccormick $500,000 Nathan Gerbe $800,000 Jason Pominville $5,300,000 Tyler Myers $1,300,000 Andrej Sekera $1,000,000 Magnus Svensson $1,525,000 Chris Butler $850,000 Jordan Leopold $3,000,000 Steve Montador $1,550,000 Mike Weber $550,000 Shaone Morrisonn $2,075,000 Craig Rivet $3,500,000 $54,915,833 Is that without goalies? |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: If We'd Signed Briere and Drury |
sabretoothpick wrote: CriminallyVu1gar wrote: jvaccaro6 wrote: CriminallyVu1gar wrote: I know it's speculation, like I said, just thinking out loud and playing with some numbers. I didn't know if that "fantasy" team was even under cap (it is). It was close; cut Leopold off there, and put in Weber/Gragnani full time, and you're right on. I got pretty far under, even with Pominville. LIST Is that without goalies? Yeah I fucked it up. |
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