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The only sketchy contract was Leino's. Brad Boyes was cheap and the guy scored 40 and 30 goals in two seasons. He was only worth a 2nd rounder which we got back from Calgary. Ehrhoff's contract was great, a little long term, but very movable later on. Ehrhoff also has been playing decent and is only worth 4 mill per year. We got Regehr for a steal.

Our money, under Pegula, has been spent wisely not counting Leino which was for our immediate need at center.

Stafford's contract I can't blame Darcy for either. After a 30 goal year you've seen what he could do, and Myers has been doing decent this year (after his few weeks of scramble). When the whole team starts to suck you're going to have some negative effects on players like, Leino.

I doubt anyone wanted Stafford. Usually the players with ending contracts that are traded are big named players.

BlueandYellow wrote:

Just because he has one 30 goal season during a contract year you spend crazy money on him???? He broke the teens only once before when he has 20 goals. I knew the sabres would overpay him after last season. I would have rather sent him packing on a trade then pay him crazy money for mediocre. The issue with Leino and Boyes is who they played with during their time on the other teams. That is who made them look so good. You put them with our gang of underachievers and they show their true colors.

BlueandYellow wrote:

I doubt anyone wanted Stafford. Usually the players with ending contracts that are traded are big named players.

That should have been a clue for Darcy.....

Ill give you the problem with Drew Stafford

Derek Roy, Derek Roy, Derek Roy

and, in case i havent made myself clear, Derek Roy.

It isnt a mistake that Drew Stafford's best year is when Derek Roy was hurt

BlueandYellow wrote:

I doubt anyone wanted Stafford. Usually the players with ending contracts that are traded are big named players.

That should have been a clue for Darcy.....

. But if he was still clipping in 30 goals and 10 points shy of a PPG, no one would be hating on him.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

. But if he was still clipping in 30 goals and 10 points shy of a PPG, no one would be hating on him.

Yes, if he was consistently a 30 goal, 50 point players... But he is not. Last season was the first season he reached 30 goals. It was brought up that the reason he may have done so we last year was that his normal linemate (Roy) was out for majority of the season. I'll give him a chance to earn his money, I just have a feeling he'll be another bust....but ya never know.

Logic would dictate; as would Pro Sport, that you see how they perform under a different coach so as to more fully judge them.

They rebound, and problem is at least partially corrected. They continue to under perform and you know you're in some deep shit.

Sadly; this "ain't" a logical place, it's Hockey Heaven.........

Author:	X-pensfan [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:16 pm ]
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Seriously, what the fuck is this fucking shit? Miller. Played amazing for the first month, then the Flyers ran over his puppy and then the Bruins just flat out ran him over. His timing and confidence just disintegrated. Enroths compete level has been there all year butso has his huge 5-hole. He looks like Bree Olson out there. Ennis is always hurt, and when he plays he is brushed aside like a toddler trying to play tackle football with grown men. Myers is my favorite player in the game, and I should be beaten and locked away for that. He looks lost and stunned by eveything happening. And it just goes on and on down the line... I guess the lesson to be learned is that money doesn't make you a winner even if you boast that you have the best management group in the NHL. Simple proclaiming things like Hockey Heaven doesn't make it so, you have to make smart moves and hard decissions. Leino wasn't smart and neither would be keeping the GM if he can't make great moves at the TDL.

Author:	Howie Hodge [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:05 pm ]
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Miller wasn't much better at the beginning of the season, actually. But you are quite correct about Lucic's hit being the straw that may have broken the Camel's back. We thought we were a little wimpy; now we know we are. The team has been inconsistent for the last four years. This is just a natural progression. The cracks have always been there; though we chose to ignore them because we have a nice guy for a GM, a nice guy for a coach, and nice players. A seemingly nice man for an owner bought them even more time. At least they've become consistent this year..... Having money to spend; and spending it wisely are two different plane's of thought.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:08 pm ]
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The only sketchy contract was Leino's. Brad Boyes was cheap and the guy scored 40 and 30 goals in two seasons. He was only worth a 2nd rounder which we got back from Calgary. Ehrhoff's contract was great, a little long term, but very movable later on. Ehrhoff also has been playing decent and is only worth 4 mill per year. We got Regher for a steal. Our money, under Pegula, has been spent wisely not counting Leino which was for our immediate need at center.

Author:	Howie Hodge [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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BlueandYellow wrote: The only sketchy contract was Leino's. Brad Boyes was cheap and the guy scored 40 and 30 goals in two seasons. He was only worth a 2nd rounder which we got back from Calgary. Ehrhoff's contract was great, a little long term, but very movable later on. Ehrhoff also has been playing decent and is only worth 4 mill per year. We got Regehr for a steal. Our money, under Pegula, has been spent wisely not counting Leino which was for our immediate need at center. You are the funniest person on this site! As we're tied for last I know you have to be kidding! One of the highest payroll in hockey - LOLZ.. And Boyes at $4 million isn't cheap. You are too funny!

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:56 pm ]
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Considering our core players are the ones not working well, I'd say it's a coaching/players we got under Golisano issue. Also, Boyes' contract is up after this year. It IS cheap, he's not long term.

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Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:26 pm ]
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Yea, Boyes leaves and we free up 4 million. The only contract I don't like right now is the Leino one, but even at 4.5 million it's not a terrible contract if he puts up a monster year next year. Stafford earned the contract he got, he's just now not living up to it. Just like when Pominville got his contract, earned it, but never lived p to it until this year really. Myers extension is going to be well deserved, he is a huge part of our D and our offense. Lately he's been the only one scoring anyways.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:31 pm ]
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Stafford's contract I can't blame Darcy for either. After a 30 goal year you've seen what he could do, and Myers has been doing decent this year (after his few weeks of scramble). When the whole team starts to suck you're going to have some negative effects on players like, Leino.

Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:35 pm ]
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BlueandYellow wrote: Stafford's contract I can't blame Darcy for either. After a 30 goal year you've seen what he could do, and Myers has been doing decent this year (after his few weeks of scramble). When the whole team starts to suck you're going to have some negative effects on players like, Leino. Trade him at the deadline while his value was high last year.

Author:	sabresindc [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:47 pm ]
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BlueandYellow wrote: Stafford's contract I can't blame Darcy for either. After a 30 goal year you've seen what he could do, and Myers has been doing decent this year (after his few weeks of scramble). When the whole team starts to suck you're going to have some negative effects on players like, Leino. Just because he has one 30 goal season during a contract year you spend crazy money on him???? He broke the teens only once before when he has 20 goals. I knew the sabres would overpay him after last season. I would have rather sent him packing on a trade then pay him crazy money for mediocre. The issue with Leino and Boyes is who they played with during their time on the other teams. That is who made them look so good. You put them with our gang of underachievers and they show their true colors. BlueandYellow wrote: I doubt anyone wanted Stafford. Usually the players with ending contracts that are traded are big named players. That should have been a clue for Darcy.....

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:55 pm ]
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sabresindc wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: Stafford's contract I can't blame Darcy for either. After a 30 goal year you've seen what he could do, and Myers has been doing decent this year (after his few weeks of scramble). When the whole team starts to suck you're going to have some negative effects on players like, Leino. Just because he has one 30 goal season during a contract year you spend crazy money on him???? He broke the teens only once before when he has 20 goals. I knew the sabres would overpay him after last season. I would have rather sent him packing on a trade then pay him crazy money for mediocre. The issue with Leino and Boyes is who they played with during their time on the other teams. That is who made them look so good. You put them with our gang of underachievers and they show their true colors. BlueandYellow wrote: I doubt anyone wanted Stafford. Usually the players with ending contracts that are traded are big named players. That should have been a clue for Darcy..... Name a player we could've gotten, then name the players we would've traded. I'd resign Stafford too, after a 30 goal year. BECAUSE we've seen him play. He has talent and the ability to produce when he gets going.

Author:	Montalo [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:13 pm ]
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Ill give you the problem with Drew Stafford Derek Roy, Derek Roy, Derek Roy and, in case i havent made myself clear, Derek Roy. It isnt a mistake that Drew Stafford's best year is when Derek Roy was hurt

Author:	sabresindc [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:13 pm ]
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I would say "if" he gets going. I wouldn't say a 15 goal per season avg player is worth his money.... I really don't know if we would have gotten a who per se but we probably could have gotten a decent draft pick or some decent prospects....I guess we'll never know, what done is done. Montalo wrote: Ill give you the problem with Drew Stafford Derek Roy, Derek Roy, Derek Roy and, in case i havent made myself clear, Derek Roy. It isnt a mistake that Drew Stafford's best year is when Derek Roy was hurt that is a very very good point. That hasn't crossed my mind that he usually plays on the line with Roy and or Vanek. He does have really decent assist #'s

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:54 am ]
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sabresindc wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: Stafford's contract I can't blame Darcy for either. After a 30 goal year you've seen what he could do, and Myers has been doing decent this year (after his few weeks of scramble). When the whole team starts to suck you're going to have some negative effects on players like, Leino. Just because he has one 30 goal season during a contract year you spend crazy money on him???? He broke the teens only once before when he has 20 goals. I knew the sabres would overpay him after last season. I would have rather sent him packing on a trade then pay him crazy money for mediocre. The issue with Leino and Boyes is who they played with during their time on the other teams. That is who made them look so good. You put them with our gang of underachievers and they show their true colors. BlueandYellow wrote: I doubt anyone wanted Stafford. Usually the players with ending contracts that are traded are big named players. That should have been a clue for Darcy..... Ryan Malone got a 4 million dollar contract on just 40 points. 4 million for a 30 goal scorer, I'd do in a heart beat also. Hell he had 52 points in 62 games. Did anyone think he'd be doing this bad right now after last season? This is another hindsight is 20/20, it looks bad now because he isn't producing. But if he was still clipping in 30 goals and 10 points shy of a PPG, no one would be hating on him.

Author:	Wozniak [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:59 am ]
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Author:	sabresindc [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:53 am ]
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote: . But if he was still clipping in 30 goals and 10 points shy of a PPG, no one would be hating on him. Yes, if he was consistently a 30 goal, 50 point players... But he is not. Last season was the first season he reached 30 goals. It was brought up that the reason he may have done so we last year was that his normal linemate (Roy) was out for majority of the season. I'll give him a chance to earn his money, I just have a feeling he'll be another bust....but ya never know.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:16 pm ]
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sabresindc wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: . But if he was still clipping in 30 goals and 10 points shy of a PPG, no one would be hating on him. Yes, if he was consistently a 30 goal, 50 point players... But he is not. Last season was the first season he reached 30 goals. It was brought up that the reason he may have done so we last year was that his normal linemate (Roy) was out for majority of the season. I'll give him a chance to earn his money, I just have a feeling he'll be another bust....but ya never know. But we've seen his talent. When he scored 30 goals, we knew he had talent AND the ability to score 30 freaking goals. If he finally starts to click he'll get another 30 goals.

Author:	TheBlackDahliaMurder [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:18 pm ]
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I understand the Stafford contract. I think what everyone seems to be in agreement with is that we need to get Roy the fuck off this team.

Author:	Howie Hodge [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:11 pm ]
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Logic would dictate; as would Pro Sport, that you see how they perform under a different coach so as to more fully judge them. They rebound, and problem is at least partially corrected. They continue to under perform and you know you're in some deep shit. Sadly; this "ain't" a logical place, it's Hockey Heaven.........

Author:	SABRESAllTheWay [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:15 pm ]
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Howie Hodge wrote: Logic would dictate; as would Pro Sport, that you see how they perform under a different coach so as to more fully judge them. They rebound, and problem is at least partially corrected. They continue to under perform and you know you're in some deep shit. Sadly; this "ain't" a logical place, it's Hockey Heaven......... I believe that hockey heaven could be a good nickname. I think that ever since pegula got the team and it was deemed that, we got what we deserved in the playoffs, now this season we need an overhaul and this should force that to happen, and now in a year maybe two we'll be a better team and work harder etc. Just a thought, but something just HAS to happen.