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| Author: | Jammerz04 [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Sucks that the season is basically cut in half but hockeys back!!!!!! Do you guys think the Sabres should take advantage of this opportunity that comes every lockout? Would you use both or just the one? And who would you use it on? My answer is yes. But I'd only use one. And I'm sure this guy will be #1 on everyones list and It's good Ol' Ville Leino. The guy will be vastly overpaid with the remainder of his stint with buffalo, its just better that we let him go now than later where it could hurt us in signing new free agents and or keeping our own. after this season i think that regier should buyout leino.... |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Buh-bye Leino... |
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| Author: | sabretoothpick [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Well, it depends on the conditions and when the buyouts can be made. Maybe give Leino a chance till the end of the season and trade him or buy him out. Maybe Pardy or MCormick could be the second buyout if there are no takers. I'm wondering if there will be any trade&buyout scenarios where richer teams take on bad contracts to buy them out (in order to get picks/assets along the way). |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
NO MORE ROY! NO MORE ROY! NO MORE TURNOVERS (at least not as much). |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
I think we're already fucked on this rule IF S. Morrison and Kotalik are still on the payrolls. This buyout rule is intended to be part of the effort to get rid of "hiding" salary by teams, both by front-loaded contracts and hiding $ in the AHL. I think. |
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| Author: | Jammerz04 [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Stuuuuuuu wrote: I think we're already fucked on this rule IF S. Morrison and Kotalik are still on the payrolls. This buyout rule is intended to be part of the effort to get rid of "hiding" salary by teams, both by front-loaded contracts and hiding $ in the AHL. I think. I'm sure teams will use it to there advantage. Leino should be bought out. That kinda of contract for what he provides isnabsolute mistake and Im sure Pegula would give the go ahead for this. Kotalik's contract is done or has one year left and isnt hurting us financially. mccormick and leino should be on there way out. leino only has 1 year deleted from his big deal and no ones taking him off our hands unless we are offering something obscene for absolute nothing |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
At 4.5 million, if Leino puts up decent points this year I'm fine with keeping him. Pretty much, I don't think our team will need to use them at all. |
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| Author: | Jammerz04 [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: At 4.5 million, if Leino puts up decent points this year I'm fine with keeping him. Pretty much, I don't think our team will need to use them at all. ok, let me ask you this.... wouldn't you rather buy Leino out and go after one of the current available RFA's such as Benn or O'reilly? Or would you stay the course? |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Jammerz04 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: At 4.5 million, if Leino puts up decent points this year I'm fine with keeping him. Pretty much, I don't think our team will need to use them at all. ok, let me ask you this.... wouldn't you rather buy Leino out and go after one of the current available RFA's such as Benn or O'reilly? Or would you stay the course? I would like other players, but I don't find the signing of RFAs useful. As most get matched anyway. One bad year doesn't constitue anything, and these buyouts won't happen until next year anyways. So he's getting one more year regardless how you feel about him right now. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Jammerz04 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: At 4.5 million, if Leino puts up decent points this year I'm fine with keeping him. Pretty much, I don't think our team will need to use them at all. ok, let me ask you this.... wouldn't you rather buy Leino out and go after one of the current available RFA's such as Benn or O'reilly? Or would you stay the course? If we're going to get Benn, we're going to have to offer something too much so it isn't matched. Same for O'reilly. Neither are worth RFA offer sheets, at least not for the amount we'd have to give them. |
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| Author: | adambuffalo [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
I don't see anyone getting bought out at this point. After this year, Leino will be getting $4m, $4m, $3.5m, $3.5m. If he produces any better than last year, he could be worth it. It would be nice to free up some money because there will be a lot of UFAs available this summer. Corey Perry, Getzlaf, Iginla, Gagne and Zajac to name a few. Plus guys who may get bought out by other teams should be available for a lot less. Like Hemsky, Gomez, Lacavalier. These guys may not be what they used to be, but for a reasonable price it may be worth it. The only UFAs we have will be Ellis, Regehr, Leopold, Pardy, Sulzer and Scott. If we don't make the playoffs, I could see trading Regehr and Leopold at the deadline. I don't see any of the guys resigning. Ellis maybe for cheap or Sulzer depending on how he plays this year, but with all the D we have in the system, he would have to play extraordinary to stay. I could see trading Sekera too if someone was willing especially with Brennan playing so well. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Regehr stays. That man is like techno fucking viking. He looks like a brick shithouse. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
I think the trade deadline is going to be very boring this year, especially with it being such a short season. If there are 16-18 games left after the deadline, then teams really shouldn't be out of it unless they are REALLY bad. That being said, you may also see movement at this deadline gearing up for the 13-14 season. (Wow that just looks weird to type) I know that some guys will be out there, but I highly doubt a lot of UFA's to be will be traded off. I have a feeling a lot of teams will make moves for financial reasons, to save themselves from having to do amnesty buy outs. Especially teams in financial troubles. So you may possibly see guys from teams like Pheonix, Carolina, Florida, ect getting moved, in exchange for next to nothing, just to be amnesty buy outs next season. It will be a very unique trade deadline. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Pretty much, all but three of our D's contracts are off the books next year. We most likely won't resign a few of the D-men because of the young talent we have coming up on the backend. Same with offense next year. I fully expect Grigs and Grigorenko making the team next year, and possibly Armia. Honestly no big UFA name is on my radar for next year, and like he said, to get an RFA, you really need to overpay, and we simply can't do that just to get a decent player. There is a reason most RFA's stay with their teams. It would be different if he wa the missing piece to a lost Stanley Cup final, but we need to make a solid team first, then trade or acquire those missing pieces. |
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| Author: | Jammerz04 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Pretty much, all but three of our D's contracts are off the books next year. We most likely won't resign a few of the D-men because of the young talent we have coming up on the backend. Same with offense next year. I fully expect Grigs and Grigorenko making the team next year, and possibly Armia. Honestly no big UFA name is on my radar for next year, and like he said, to get an RFA, you really need to overpay, and we simply can't do that just to get a decent player. There is a reason most RFA's stay with their teams. It would be different if he wa the missing piece to a lost Stanley Cup final, but we need to make a solid team first, then trade or acquire those missing pieces. YOu wouldnt want to make a pitch for Getzlaf or Perry? Let's not forget after next season Miller, Vanek and Pominville are all UFA's thats almost $20 Million in cap space available. With Vanek signing that offersheet with the Oilers my mind is saying he wanted to leave who is to say that he still doesn't want too? Miller might stay but he is up there in age and unless we turn this around quickly I see him leaving. I see Pomiville staying he is the Captain of this team and leading point getter. |
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| Author: | jordano [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Jammerz04 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Pretty much, all but three of our D's contracts are off the books next year. We most likely won't resign a few of the D-men because of the young talent we have coming up on the backend. Same with offense next year. I fully expect Grigs and Grigorenko making the team next year, and possibly Armia. Honestly no big UFA name is on my radar for next year, and like he said, to get an RFA, you really need to overpay, and we simply can't do that just to get a decent player. There is a reason most RFA's stay with their teams. It would be different if he wa the missing piece to a lost Stanley Cup final, but we need to make a solid team first, then trade or acquire those missing pieces. YOu wouldnt want to make a pitch for Getzlaf or Perry? Let's not forget after next season Miller, Vanek and Pominville are all UFA's thats almost $20 Million in cap space available. With Vanek signing that offersheet with the Oilers my mind is saying he wanted to leave who is to say that he still doesn't want too? Miller might stay but he is up there in age and unless we turn this around quickly I see him leaving. I see Pomiville staying he is the Captain of this team and leading point getter. I would have signed the 7 million offer sheet too if I was Vanek. He said he cried when he heard that the Sabres had matched the offer. I don't think he necessarily wants out. I also don't see Miller leaving. |
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| Author: | Jammerz04 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
jordano wrote: Jammerz04 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Pretty much, all but three of our D's contracts are off the books next year. We most likely won't resign a few of the D-men because of the young talent we have coming up on the backend. Same with offense next year. I fully expect Grigs and Grigorenko making the team next year, and possibly Armia. Honestly no big UFA name is on my radar for next year, and like he said, to get an RFA, you really need to overpay, and we simply can't do that just to get a decent player. There is a reason most RFA's stay with their teams. It would be different if he wa the missing piece to a lost Stanley Cup final, but we need to make a solid team first, then trade or acquire those missing pieces. YOu wouldnt want to make a pitch for Getzlaf or Perry? Let's not forget after next season Miller, Vanek and Pominville are all UFA's thats almost $20 Million in cap space available. With Vanek signing that offersheet with the Oilers my mind is saying he wanted to leave who is to say that he still doesn't want too? Miller might stay but he is up there in age and unless we turn this around quickly I see him leaving. I see Pomiville staying he is the Captain of this team and leading point getter. I would have signed the 7 million offer sheet too if I was Vanek. He said he cried when he heard that the Sabres had matched the offer. I don't think he necessarily wants out. I also don't see Miller leaving. He said he cried? Whos to say there were of sadness or joy. I don't see Miller leaving either but if we arent a contender i see him leavin |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
Jammerz04 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Pretty much, all but three of our D's contracts are off the books next year. We most likely won't resign a few of the D-men because of the young talent we have coming up on the backend. Same with offense next year. I fully expect Grigs and Grigorenko making the team next year, and possibly Armia. Honestly no big UFA name is on my radar for next year, and like he said, to get an RFA, you really need to overpay, and we simply can't do that just to get a decent player. There is a reason most RFA's stay with their teams. It would be different if he wa the missing piece to a lost Stanley Cup final, but we need to make a solid team first, then trade or acquire those missing pieces. YOu wouldnt want to make a pitch for Getzlaf or Perry? Let's not forget after next season Miller, Vanek and Pominville are all UFA's thats almost $20 Million in cap space available. With Vanek signing that offersheet with the Oilers my mind is saying he wanted to leave who is to say that he still doesn't want too? Miller might stay but he is up there in age and unless we turn this around quickly I see him leaving. I see Pomiville staying he is the Captain of this team and leading point getter. Anybody signs a 50 million dollar deal. Vanek loves it here. |
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| Author: | Jammerz04 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
BlueandYellow wrote: Jammerz04 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Pretty much, all but three of our D's contracts are off the books next year. We most likely won't resign a few of the D-men because of the young talent we have coming up on the backend. Same with offense next year. I fully expect Grigs and Grigorenko making the team next year, and possibly Armia. Honestly no big UFA name is on my radar for next year, and like he said, to get an RFA, you really need to overpay, and we simply can't do that just to get a decent player. There is a reason most RFA's stay with their teams. It would be different if he wa the missing piece to a lost Stanley Cup final, but we need to make a solid team first, then trade or acquire those missing pieces. YOu wouldnt want to make a pitch for Getzlaf or Perry? Let's not forget after next season Miller, Vanek and Pominville are all UFA's thats almost $20 Million in cap space available. With Vanek signing that offersheet with the Oilers my mind is saying he wanted to leave who is to say that he still doesn't want too? Miller might stay but he is up there in age and unless we turn this around quickly I see him leaving. I see Pomiville staying he is the Captain of this team and leading point getter. Anybody signs a 50 million dollar deal. Vanek loves it here. we will see in a couple seasons i guess. |
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| Author: | Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2 Amnesty Buyouts |
I doubt Vanek wants to go anywhere. He has three kids, I think, and once a player has settled into an area, they don't really want to move from that area. Vanek is on record as saying he likes it here, and I think the next time his contract is up, he'll likely take a lot less than what he's currently making to stay. |
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