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I hear mumbling. I have mumbled. What are the thoughts going on?

Discuss. :character-grover:

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Hahahaha, I'm just wondering if anyone else is as convinced as me that we need a changed at coach. Is he in the hot seat so to speak?

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In the last five years, we've missed the playoffs three times and had two first round exits. This year, we still suck ass despite the changes in players and our talent levels. We have a superstar goalie in Ryan Miller, our offense has Vanek, Pomminville, Hodgson, Ennis, Foligno, etc and our D on paper is supposed to be good.

His system seems to be stale, and he seems ineffective as a coach. Time to go bye bye, if we're losing badly now we can't get much worse.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
In the last five years, we've missed the playoffs three times and had two first round exits. This year, we still suck ass despite the changes in players and our talent levels. We have a superstar goalie in Ryan Miller, our offense has Vanek, Pomminville, Hodgson, Ennis, Foligno, etc and our D on paper is supposed to be good.

His system seems to be stale, and he seems ineffective as a coach. Time to go bye bye, if we're losing badly now we can't get much worse.


You had me until the Ryan Miller is a superstar goalie part.


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DieHardFan wrote:
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In the last five years, we've missed the playoffs three times and had two first round exits. This year, we still suck ass despite the changes in players and our talent levels. We have a superstar goalie in Ryan Miller, our offense has Vanek, Pomminville, Hodgson, Ennis, Foligno, etc and our D on paper is supposed to be good.

His system seems to be stale, and he seems ineffective as a coach. Time to go bye bye, if we're losing badly now we can't get much worse.


You had me until the Ryan Miller is a superstar goalie part.

Anyone else in net and we don't ever reach a game where we are 1-2-3-4-5 goals to them.

I wanted Ruff gone last year, and a bit the year before. Now, I really want the guy out of here.

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Hahahaha, I'm just wondering if anyone else is as convinced as me that we need a changed at coach. Is he in the hot seat so to speak?


I think on any other team, Lindy has grill marks on his arse. The depressing part is they could go on an 0-15 run and there would still be some excuse as to why the team was playing like hot garbage and that they just need to put in the hard work to break out. Sure, I can chalk it up to injuries last season. I mean, when you have half of Rochester in your lineup and different players dressing every night, it will lead to a huge consistency issues. We don't have near the same amount of guys out this season but yet they're looking like the same team as last.

If Lindy and his staff aren't feeling the heat or if Pegula doesn't take the fan hat off soon, we'll see this team battling for 9th spot, yet again. Honestly, I've tried to not be one of the haters because Lindy is a good coach. I just think he's worn out his welcome and the message has gone stale. I know the coaches aren’t the ones on the ice and at the end of the day. But if the leadership in place can’t get this team motivated or give some different direction or advice, something has to change. Players have changed, yet the coaching staff remains the same.

As I said in the GDT, The system has failed.

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I believe Miller is good enough as a #1 goaltender at this point in his career to backstop a team to a Cup, that being an all-around good team with solid defense. On a team that plays spotty defense and has little secondary scoring to complement a great 1st line, not so much.

I agree that Lindy's time has come, unless the ship is righted very quickly, and agree with the OP's original comments (minus the Miller being a superstar). You look at guys individually and see a roster that is full of good talent, even defensively (hard to argue that Myers, Ehrhoff, Regehr, Sekera aren't good enough players to anchor a solid defense), but a team that doesn't play well together more often than not.

To me, that's on the coaching staff. Good players have been added and developed, yet they are still a mediocre-looking, inconsistent team. If this continues and Lindy doesn't get fired, Pegula's credibility as an owner of a team whose "sole reason for existence is to win the stanley cup" depreciates signficantly.


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as my sig says...ive been driving the "Fire Ruff" bandwagon for years. The Sabres have talented, young players with a solid core. They should be a good team, not perennial cup favorites, but the next couple years should be the serious "contention" years with this team. The fact that they suck this much ass year after year falls to Ruff and is inablility to adapt/change his system to fit the players he has.


FIRE LINDY FUCKING RUFF!

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on any other team in any other sport Ruffs ass would have been fired by now

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on any other team in any other sport Ruffs ass would have been fired by now


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He's been here awhile and honestly I don't think he's ever been on the hot seat. Hopefully Pegula and Regier finally figure out that this is not the guy to lead this team anymore. We need help from the outside IMO.

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Wozniak wrote:
as my sig says...ive been driving the "Fire Ruff" bandwagon for years. The Sabres have talented, young players with a solid core. They should be a good team, not perennial cup favorites, but the next couple years should be the serious "contention" years with this team. The fact that they suck this much ass year after year falls to Ruff and is inablility to adapt/change his system to fit the players he has.


FIRE LINDY FUCKING RUFF!

Just because you're right about firing Ruff this year doesn't mean you were right since 2008. IMO, this isn't the type of situation where you can say, "I told you so".

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If this slide continues, I think it's safe to say a new message is needed. As I've mentioned earlier, I think Lindy is a good coach but after hearing the same 8-track all day, every day, for the last couple years, it needs to be ripped out and replaced with something a little more with the times. Not saying a change is needed for the sake of change, but change things up with someone who can get that something else out of the players we have. I think we have some great players, but the method in which Lindy coaches may not be getting the best out of them.

To sum it up, you can't scream at a head of cabbage and expect it to just up and turn into a cucumber because you want it to, regardless of how loud you scream.

That's what a leprechaun is for!

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jordano wrote:
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as my sig says...ive been driving the "Fire Ruff" bandwagon for years. The Sabres have talented, young players with a solid core. They should be a good team, not perennial cup favorites, but the next couple years should be the serious "contention" years with this team. The fact that they suck this much ass year after year falls to Ruff and is inablility to adapt/change his system to fit the players he has.


FIRE LINDY FUCKING RUFF!

Just because you're right about firing Ruff this year doesn't mean you were right since 2008. IMO, this isn't the type of situation where you can say, "I told you so".

because the Sabres have done fantastic the last several years right?

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as my sig says...ive been driving the "Fire Ruff" bandwagon for years. The Sabres have talented, young players with a solid core. They should be a good team, not perennial cup favorites, but the next couple years should be the serious "contention" years with this team. The fact that they suck this much ass year after year falls to Ruff and is inablility to adapt/change his system to fit the players he has.


FIRE LINDY FUCKING RUFF!

Just because you're right about firing Ruff this year doesn't mean you were right since 2008. IMO, this isn't the type of situation where you can say, "I told you so".

because the Sabres have done fantastic the last several years right?


I think Woz has a point.

Sure, Lindy was coach of some good teams, but I think his situation the last few years is more along the lines of, "Right place, right time" regarding any team success. He's had some really skilled guys on this team during his time, the big question is, has he used them to the best of THEIR ability, and not his. (Circle peg in the square hole, type thing)

Regardless, I think we can all agree that it may be time for a change.

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I guess I can't argue the point too much any more, but I still want to know "why"? What is it that is making things not gel? I have this nagging feeling that Lindy & the players are only part of the problem. I'm trying to work on my thoughts about the local news media/fan perception, and how that affects the team's play as a whole. I'm not saying that Lindy & the players aren't to blame, but there are more at fault here.


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and than darcy goes on WGR and says any change that happens will NOT be the coach.

ok? what the fuck is going on here?

pegula should sell the team....

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and than darcy goes on WGR and says any change that happens will NOT be the coach.

ok? what the fuck is going on here?

Really? sigh. It is fucking BANANAS that ANY coach be with a team as long as he has. Now if he had a cup or two on the resume but, well he doesn't. He has a team who doesn't seem to have a clear identity, goal or unity. Those are coaching problems.

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The Buffalo Sabres are just 3-6-1 and there’s a chance by the time tonight’s game against Montreal in First Niagara Center is over they could be last overall in the NHL.

Just 1-6-1 in their last eight games, it seems there’s no way the Sabres can keep the status quo going unless their fortunes change quickly. So does that mean possible player moves or perhaps even the firing of longtime coach Lindy Ruff?

“It won’t be the coach,” General Manager Darcy Regier told The Buffalo News early Wednesday evening.

Ruff was hired on July 21, 1997, and is the second-longest tenured coach in the four major professional sports leagues, behind only Gregg Popovich of the NBA’s San Antonio Spurs (who was hired in 1996).

But discontent with Ruff is clearly growing among a fan base quick to point out his team hasn’t won a playoff series since 2007 and hasn’t even qualified for the postseason in three of the last five seasons.

Ruff addressed the topic of his job security head-on Wednesday when asked about it by The News after practice in First Niagara Center.

“I think you’re always concerned,” he said. “My job is to keep the morale up. The hope for the team has been real good. The guys have been positive. They’ve been upbeat. They dug in, tried to come back” in Tuesday’s 4-3 loss in Ottawa, “tried to fight through the adversity.

“So you’ve got to give them credit for digging in but I understand the other side of it too. We need to win games. We need to win them now.”

Ruff, whose contract is believed to have another two years to run after this season, said he talked to Sabres owner Terry Pegula on Wednesday morning but that’s not unusual as Pegula talks regularly with his coach and GM. What was Wednesday’s message? Ruff wouldn’t give any specifics.

“We talked hockey,” the coach said.

Since Ruff’s hiring, there have been 170 coaching changes in the NHL and two of them (Dan Bylsma in Pittsburgh in 2009 and Darryl Sutter in Los Angeles last year) resulted in a team winning the Stanley Cup the same season.

Ruff has 568 wins, second only to New York Islanders legend Al Arbour in wins with a single franchise. Arbour won 740 games and four Stanley Cups for the Islanders from 1973-1994 (and won his retirement game in 2007). Ruff, who has taken the Sabres to four Eastern Conference finals and a trip to the 1999 Stanley Cup final, has the most wins in NHL history for a coach with his first team.

The Sabres were supposed to be off Wednesday but Ruff got the players to agree to come downtown for a video session and an on-ice practice that lasted nearly an hour. Afterward, players scoffed at the notion a coaching change might be in the offing.

“That’s not something we’re going to have to worry about. We’re trying to get ourselves to play some hockey,” goaltender Ryan Miller said. “This is the team we have, these are the coaches we have. We’re not going to look at it like it might happen or a what-if kind of situation right now.

“It’s definitely not lost on us that we need to play better hockey. But I don’t think now is the time to start panicking. It’s time to keep building. We have to climb out of a hole. We can’t dig ourselves deeper by talking about Lindy or us as players and how effective we’re being. We all can be effective.”

“We just have to focus on what we have to do to get back on track,” added captain Jason Pominville. “We’re not that far off. We’ve cut down on” odd-man rush chances, “which was a big issue early on.”

As for a change in coaches, Pominville said, “That’s up to management. We have to worry about what we have to do and that’s win a game. Hopefully it snowballs from then on.”

After winning the first two games of the shortened NHL season, the Sabres’ problems have mushroomed. Chief among them is the fact they have given up an NHL-worst 37 goals in 10 games.

“That’s not a good place to be,” Regier said. “The confidence I do have is in this team to turn this around, in Lindy’s ability and in our ability to rectify that and that’s because I think one of the areas Lindy as a coach is extremely strong in is defensive play. Offensively, we’re fine.” (The Sabres are third in the East, sixth overall with 30 goals.)

“But defensively we have work to do. And when you think of where we are defensively, if I had a coach to pick to shore that up, Lindy is the guy. And it’s not just all on Lindy by any means. We have to work together to get this turned around.”

The Sabres entered Wednesday’s games last in the Northeast Division, 14th in the Eastern Conference and 27th in the NHL. If they lose tonight to Montreal in regulation, Washington beats Pittsburgh and Calgary beats Columbus in overtime (giving the Blue Jackets a loser point), Buffalo would drop to 30th in the league.

Over what’s nearly the first quarter of the 48-game season, the Sabres have been one of the biggest and priciest busts in the NHL.

As a team, they have a payroll that exceeds $65 million. Eleven players are making at least $3 million this season and eight make at least $4 million.

“We’re not a collection of first-year players,” Miller said. “We’ve got to lead the way. For the guys who might not have that firm grasp, the young guys and the first-year guys, it’s up to us to make sure they’re up to speed. We need to play some hockey. That’s been kind of missing the last 5-6 games. Get into some hockey. It’s not about thinking, not about ‘Here we go again.’ You just go out, do your job every shift and come out in the end like you want it.”



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