I doubt that Hall and Seguin will both be Stefan/Daigle busts.

The bulk of the top 2 picks of the recent drafts have been nowhere near busts:

2009 - Tavares/Hedman
2008 - Stamkos/Doughty
2007 - Kane/Van Riemsdyk
2006 - Erik Johnson/Jordan Staal
2005 - Crosby/Ryan
2004 - Ovechkin/Malkin
2003 - Fleury/Eric Staal
2002 - Nash/Lehtonen
2001 - Kovalchuk/Spezza
2000 - DiPietro/Heatley

So basically, if you stay away from a goalie in the top 2, chances are you'll get one heck of a player.

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Provided you want to sacrifice defense, a teammate, a cabbie or locker room chemistry.

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Remember folks, no one is advocating this should or could or would be done. And I appreciate everyones point of view. Squanto and I see the game last night differently, but I like the fact that Squanto pointed out, and correctly I might add, that it made no difference on the score sheet. This is an equally important fact based on the way the boys played last night.

Thats why I am saying, would you do it, not lets do it.
I have stated I like Vanek with Roy. Stafford is a different story altogether, and I've been riding his dead ass for a couple of seasons now.

But the post was to put out there that since FA isn't really ponying up anything worth a shit to improve the team, would you make this trade and what do you see giving up for that pick and who would you pick?

I based the questions on the youth coming out of Portland, some veterans remain and building a real threat kind of line.

I wouldn't trade Pomminville or Connolly, but earlier this season I was one of the individuals calling for their heads, that was very short sighted of me considering those 2 have actually helped to elevate Hecht's play and have been consistant down the back stretch of the season.

Bare in mind, these questions are merely what if scenairio's and I am looking at it, atleast through a lens that I do, as a way to improve the team overall.

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How does a player like that help us now? With the exception of Crosby and Ovechkin most of those guys weren't in the NHL at 18, and weren't making a difference until they were 22, which is 4 years from now. I understand building for the future, but why bother with Hall or Seguin when they both don't show "franchise" promise, and wont come in and make a huge difference right away.

Our team is a contender RIGHT NOW, I dont see the point in moving a top 3 forward to and a top 9 forward for the sake of having 1 guy who might help us down the road provided he develops into something.

Tavares 44 points -16, not better than Vanek by any means, and has played more games
Hedman 20 points -3
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Last year:

Stamkos 46 pts -13
Doughty 27 points -17
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Kane 72 pts -3, good season, but he's a rare talent
Van Riemsdyke, 2 years later he's got 33 points +1

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Johnson, DNP, 1 year later was 33 pts -9
Staal, 42 points +16, Very Vanek like numbers

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Crosby- One in a life time player
Ryan- DNP 2 years later 10 points -1

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Ovechkin-Rare talent; was 21 when he came into the league

Malkin-Rare Talent again; 20 when he came into the league

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I could keep going but I have to go do some class work....my point is; yes drafting for the future would be a good idea if we were bottom dwellers, but we're not. Why mess with a team thats proven they can win with the roster they have. You dont become 1st in the division, and possibly 2nd in the east (jinxed now!) without doing something right.

Also lets not forget Vanek usually tallies 30-40 goals a season, He's having an off year. Remember we all wanted Jochen gone; and I dont think anyone wants him gone now.

Down years happen; doesn't mean you panic and sell the farm, because you have a couple of sick chickens

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Squanto 7/27/2010

I dont think anyone is stating otherwise, I'm saying hell no I wouldnt do it, and giving my reasons

Honestly this trade wouldn't ever happen anyway, because Edmonton is in a perfect position to rebuild, where we're not even close to needing to do so. We need a missing piece or two, and that's a maybe depending on how the prospects develop.

Right now, making any trade would be a mistake, adding a FA for a year or two, that'd be doable.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

I disagree that Hall and Seguin don't show "franchise" promise.

I think Hall could easily be a Heatley-esque scoring winger and that Seguin could be a Toews-esque center.



I was assuming that the Sabres would be willing & able to use the almost $5.6M in cap space (Vanek + Stafford = a tad over $9M against the cap & a top 2 pick would count around $3.5M to $3.75M) to upgrade the roster.

With teams like the Rangers, Blackhawks, Capitals, and a few others having some potential cap issues this summer due to RFA extensions that have been inked or need to be inked, the Sabres might be able to upgrade their NHL roster for next season if they were to play their cards right.

Seguin would be particularly attractive to me as I think you need to build your forwards ranks from the centers out and Connolly will be in a contract year next year. And the prospect pipeline is relatively thin at center. Especially since I like Ennis more at wing than center.

I don't see Stafford as a huge loss. And Vanek is only a sizable loss IF he bounces back.

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Seguin would be interesting.

at the later point there is a nice size center named Ryan Martindale
after we draft.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... pid=106845

and ryan johansen
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... pid=122175
near around when we will draft.

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For what it's worth...
A pal of mine at work is from Edmonton and he told me about the Bruins thing on Monday. His version is that Boston is desperate for offense NOW, and is willing to use the assets they have (draft picks) to address this need. Boston approached Edmonton, not vice versa. But, let's face it, Edmonton is starting from scratch. Getting 1 and 2 in the same draft could be sweet. Sure it's a crapshoot, but what does Edmonton have to lose? They are undoubtedly committed to rebuilding at this point.

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and hemsky and penner are going to provide that. i mean penner hasn't played to the contract except this year, and hemsky is on the down swing. I'm thinking boston would be talking sam Gagner, an RFA.

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I mean if ennis keeps this up we might be able to give boston their wish with a vanek, instant offense. whom could potentially be replaced by hall. or we could land seguin and move roy back to wing. and keep our pick and land martindale or johansen to boost our center position.

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26 years old and on the down swing eh. Hemsky is a very talented player and is probably the piece Boston is looking at.

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Eh

Funny, I'd have said Penner, but anyways, the more you talk about this, the better it looks for Boston.

I would say Penner fits in with Boston more but Hemsky is a god with the puck and I wouldn't give up that pick unless I was getting the best player I could in return.

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Eh