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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:06 pm 
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Drew Schiestel is injured and out for the rest of the season, I believe. I know he didn't play in the AHL All-Star game.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Greene and Arnott are pending UFAs, so why should Buffalo give a player under contract, a prospect, and a better draft pick for them?

Arnott would be the kind of player to acquire if all other holes were filled but 3rd line center, and we wanted some vet grit and playoff experience. I'm not against getting him totally, but not for what you listed. NJ should expect picks and/or prospects only for those guys, so either player for a 2nd rd pick sounds about right (but I hate rental only trades).

During the summer I'd go after Greene big time. Ideally I'd want to sign Ehrhoff from Vancouver, but his contract will bust Buffalo's cap if they want to address other holes also. So I'd go after Wisniewski or Greene, and wait until the summer of 2012 to fill holes at forward.


Greene, to me, is worth a 2nd rounder and Morrisonn. The nice thing for the Sabres is that you get a test drive before deciding if you want to bid on him in free agency. If he works well with Myers and he contributes to getting the team into the post season and then some, then they can offer him a long term deal with confident signatures from both parties. Greene will know he can win there and the Sabres will know they can win with him. If Greene doesn't work out, you lost a 2nd rounder but you have gained over 2 million in cap space to put towards somebody who could potentially be a top 4 defense man or a bottom pairing PK maniac. So even the worst case scenario is acceptable.

Arnott isn't exactly Ron Francis in his prime, but he does have over 100 games of playoff experience and he brings an element of size to team that is susceptible to being bullied due to a lack of stature. I wouldn't expect him to be a point per game player, but I also wouldn't expect him to hurt the team in any way. Adding him in exchange for what amounts to a drop from a bottomless well of AHL talent is another acceptable risk.

Make no mistake the Sabres aren't going to fold their cards and draw five new ones, they are going to ante up and draw two.

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"Greene, to me, is worth a 2nd rounder and Morrisonn."

Only if Greene signed a new 2-3 year contract as part of the deal. Otherwise he's worth a pick and/or prospect. The worst case scenario is that the team doesn't make the playoffs, Greene wants to go somewhere else (like almost every UFA), and Buffalo is left with another hole on a d-corps that needs to be upgraded in the first place, and one less draft pick. Two mil in cap space doesn't mitigate that.

Better to take a run at Greene (and/or Wisniewski, Bieksa, Ehrhoff, Ericsson) over the summer without losing anything in the process.


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for what its worth, again, ESPN chicago radio was discussing a miller for kane trade today. no link, nothing really to it. just saying what they discussed on the radio today.

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for what its worth, again, ESPN chicago radio was discussing a miller for kane trade today. no link, nothing really to it. just saying what they discussed on the radio today.


Was eklund on that radio station???

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patkane88 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
for what its worth, again, ESPN chicago radio was discussing a miller for kane trade today. no link, nothing really to it. just saying what they discussed on the radio today.


Was eklund on that radio station???


no. theres a thread about it at the HF boards.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
"Greene, to me, is worth a 2nd rounder and Morrisonn."

Only if Greene signed a new 2-3 year contract as part of the deal. Otherwise he's worth a pick and/or prospect. The worst case scenario is that the team doesn't make the playoffs, Greene wants to go somewhere else (like almost every UFA), and Buffalo is left with another hole on a d-corps that needs to be upgraded in the first place, and one less draft pick. Two mil in cap space doesn't mitigate that.

Better to take a run at Greene (and/or Wisniewski, Bieksa, Ehrhoff, Ericsson) over the summer without losing anything in the process.



Life is scary, but you do the best you can with the cards you're dealt. I take it you want them to do nothing and then regroup over the summer?

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The trade deadline is for making a playoff push, the summer is for re-building. Buffalo isn't in any shape to make a serious playoff push, so trading away players under contract or decent draft picks should not be an option. If they can get anything, however small, for players that they don't need anymore (Grier, Niedermayer, Rivet, Lalime, Connolly if they fall out of contention) then that's fine. But why trade assets away for a player that you have a chance to land in the summer for nothing but cap room?


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what may be more interesting than the trade deadline is this year's draft. i just hope management doesn't piss it away in an attempt to solidify this current, do-nothing team.

perhaps they can do something this post-season -if they make it there, but i don't want the future to suffer because of the concerns of the present.

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useful fictions wrote:
what may be more interesting than the trade deadline is this year's draft. i just hope management doesn't piss it away in an attempt to solidify this current, do-nothing team.

perhaps they can do something this post-season -if they make it there, but i don't want the future to suffer because of the concerns of the present.


I agree. I don't think this current team is that great. Yes they could be a playoff team but that's about it. Trade the garbage and start thinking about the next 2-3 years in building a great team. We aren't that far off from being a real good team for years to come but I think getting rid of the garbage and picking up two very good offensive players would do alot for this team.
I don't care if we get picks back for Connolly, Rivet, Niedermayer, Butler and Hecht. The time is now to cut the garbage.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
The trade deadline is for making a playoff push, the summer is for re-building. Buffalo isn't in any shape to make a serious playoff push, so trading away players under contract or decent draft picks should not be an option. If they can get anything, however small, for players that they don't need anymore (Grier, Niedermayer, Rivet, Lalime, Connolly if they fall out of contention) then that's fine. But why trade assets away for a player that you have a chance to land in the summer for nothing but cap room?





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Yes, they kind of are, and it took being the second best team in hockey for two months to make that possible. The business of professional sports is what it is, there aren't any safe scenarios or perfect decisions. Most of the time player dumps yield nothing in return, so how do you even know that getting minimal crap for impending UFAs will be worth turning your back and undermining everything your team and organization stands for? If they would have rolled over and tanked for a top 5 draft pick 2 months ago like I suggested, then I would see your point of view, but they have played their asses off and fought tooth and nail just to get back into it. That, as I am learning, is what the Buffalo Sabres do. Except for Hecht and Morrisonn who are still playing meh.

Maybe I'm just asking for more heartbreak but I am all in with this team. You don't need the 84' Oilers to win the Cup these days, any team that is good enough to get into the playoffs is good enough to win the Cup. Even the best team in the East is only about 20% better statistically then the Sabres. The Canes, the Habs, and a lot of other average teams have done well in the playoffs in recent years, but they didn't do it by dumping a few pending UFA's for 4th and 5th round draft picks.

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Even if we can keep up the level of play we have shown the last two months and get into the playoffs, I see a very tired team getting knocked around in the first round. Maybe not physically but mentally, who knows. Because of this I just don't see us making any big moves to bring in a rental or anything. Hell, who knows though with a new owner coming in.

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Four of our pending UFAs can be easily replaced though. Niedermayer has been a complete waste. Adam can't possibly perform less as the 3rd center. Grier is showing his age, and the return may definitely not be worth trading him away, but it has to be considered. Rivet and Lalime aren't even playing.

Connolly is worth trading only if they fall out of the race, and of course we're better off keeping McCormick and Montador.

If they keep it up they can make the playoffs, and I want that. I don't want them to tank because they could maybe pull off an upset (not likely against Philly) if they make the 8th seed. But, we all know the Cup is out of reach this season, so it's not worth trading away players under contract or picks that you'll want or need next season for only a rental for one or two months. If they can figure out an extension with the player they trade for it would all make sense, but that's highly doubtful for any pending UFA, let alone a UFA considering staying in Buffalo.


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daz28 wrote:
Doubt the Kings are trading Kopitar. If so, send him to Buffalo.


The Kings will move him if the deal is right to improve their team. Connolly for Kopitar is a balanced trade, enough said.

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Sabretooth wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Doubt the Kings are trading Kopitar. If so, send him to Buffalo.


The Kings will move him if the deal is right to improve their team. Connolly for Kopitar is a balanced trade, enough said.


no its not.

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Kopitar isn't playing good hockey right now.

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hes got 50 points in 53 games. hes 23.

yeah, lets trade one of our used trash bins for a rising NHL star on the assumption "hes not playing his best hockey right now"

then, by the standard, might as well trade miller for khabibulin because "millers not playing playing his best hockey right now, and thus its an even trade."

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Sabretooth wrote:
Connolly for Kopitar is a balanced trade, enough said.


Not even close.

Besides, Kopitar is in year 2 of a 7 year deal. Why would they trade him again?


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Squanto wrote:
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Connolly for Kopitar is a balanced trade, enough said.


Not even close.

Besides, Kopitar is in year 2 of a 7 year deal. Why would they trade him again?


because hes not playing his best hockey. duh!

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That's not what I meant. I was saying I'm not really sold on Kopitar quite yet.

He's got all the tools to be nasty in this league, but he turns into a ghost quite a bit for some reason.

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