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| Author: | sabresEH [ Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Deadline Deals |
I was doing the dishes today when I thought of these trades that we could make at the deadline. To Buffalo Bourque Sarich To Calgary Roy To Buffalo Matt Stajan To Tor 2nd round pick |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
actually... not bad ideas. at all. |
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| Author: | sabres1996 [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
1st one, no 2nd one yes |
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| Author: | psychemedisabrefan [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
the first one if i'm going after a calgary defenseman i would much rather have phaneuf, younger, tougher. and to the second one i'd rather trade to get fisher out of ottawa than stajan, only because we own the leafs, fisher kills us, and stajan would probably be a rental player as i don't think darcy would resign him. but not terrible ideas. |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
Calgary needs scoring. We need a stud to play with Myers, and also a PP QB. To Flames: D.Stafford, N.Gerbe, 2nd rd pick To Sabres: D.Phaneuf Ottawa could use some cap space to add a veteran for a run. We need a more responsible 2nd line center who would play better in Lindy's system. To Sens: D.Roy, 4th rd pick To Sabres: M.Fisher Panthers need veteran defensemen. We now need a right winger to play with M.Fisher on the second line. To Cats: H.Tallinder, T.Lydman, To Sabres: N.Horton, Call up Weber. Hecht-Connolly-Pominville Vanek-Fisher-Horton Mac-Kennedy-Grier Ellis-Goose-Kaleta Phaneuf-Myers Sekera-Weber Rivet-Butler Edit: Lines and deals edited
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| Author: | psychemedisabrefan [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
mechaphil wrote: Calgary needs scoring. We need a stud to play with Myers, and also a PP QB. To Flames: D.Stafford, N.Gerbe, 2nd rd pick To Sabres: D.Phaneuf Ottawa could use some cap space to add a veteran for a run. We need a more responsible 2nd line center who would play better in Lindy's system. To Sens: D.Roy, 4th rd pick To Sabres: M.Fisher Panthers need veteran defensemen. We now need a right winger to play with M.Fisher on the second line. To Cats: H.Tallinder, T.Lydman, To Sabres: N.Horton, 2nd rd pick Call up Weber. Hecht-Connolly-Pominville Vanek-Fisher-Horton Mac-Goose-Grier Mair-Ellis-Kaleta Phaneuf-Myers Sekera-Weber Rivet-Butler i could live with that but do you think stafford will have more value or mac Arthur. seeing as mac is putting up more goals of present. As well if you are leaving kennedy off the list are you assuming he is being sat or is he traded. And can gerbe survive out west ( I say this b/c the GM of calgary is going to take gerbe's size into consideration, as the rest of the league probably does). As well you may have to part with a d prospect as well to get that second off of florida as it aims to be early, plus horton is probably one of florida's biggest bargaining chips. that would give us a nice future though, with phanuef and myers as the elite d-pair. all we'd have to do in the off season then is sign biron and resign grier. I know adding this would make it four moves that let's face it darcy do four trades i must be drinking the XR again. but send say macArthur + a 5th or montador or sekera (his shot pisses me off. it seems to soft) for whitney. that adds more leadership on the forward front as well but we might be getting into a bit of an upheaval and that hasn't worked well for teams. |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
Stafford has (heaven help me) more potential and has shown more pizazz. He's been more productive over his career, and unlike Mac, can score highlight-reel goals. Oops, I fucked that up - I'll re-edit my lines, but Mair isn't on the team when I'm done. Gerbe I think can survive out west - he's like a poor-man's Theo Fleury in the town that's loved Theo for years. And you're right about Horton, but I'm just spitballin cuz I never take part in these threads cuz I always tend to not think everything through. |
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| Author: | psychemedisabrefan [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
mechaphil wrote: Stafford has (heaven help me) more potential and has shown more pizazz. He's been more productive over his career, and unlike Mac, can score highlight-reel goals. Oops, I fucked that up - I'll re-edit my lines, but Mair isn't on the team when I'm done. Gerbe I think can survive out west - he's like a poor-man's Theo Fleury in the town that's loved Theo for years. And you're right about Horton, but I'm just spitballin cuz I never take part in these threads cuz I always tend to not think everything through. thats probably why the rest of us are here to double check. so that things can be talked out and irresistible deals can be thought out. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
Well with Horton we would need to wait until he became healthy, he broke a bone in his leg and is out about 6-8 weeks, basically he won't be ready until around two weeks after the Olympics end. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
Ok, So I'm Darcy on Deadline day, assuming we continue to succeed, and stay healthy; I call up Dallas first, To: Clarke MacArthur, and 4th round pick In return: Steve Ott (UFA to be) Then I move on to NY Rangers: To: Stafford, Sekera and 1st (the draft doesnt have many first rounders that fit Buffalo's draft molds) 3rd from Boston (Glenn Sather loves to stick it to the Bruins In return: Chris Higgins Ryan Callahan Then on to Florida: Our 3rd round pick, and Lydman To Buffalo Jordan Leopold (PP QB and experienced veteran) After the deadline our team would look like: Higgins-Connolly-Pommers Vanek-Roy-Callahan Hecht-Ott-Grier Kennedy/Ellis-Goose-Kaleta Rivet-Butler Myers-Hank Montador-Leopold Miller La-lame I dont know about you guys, but I think that's a gritty team, that could score and survive anything the East could throw at us...thoughts? |
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| Author: | Timbo Slice [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
jvaccaro6 wrote: Ok, So I'm Darcy on Deadline day, assuming we continue to succeed, and stay healthy; I call up Dallas first, To: Clarke MacArthur, and 4th round pick In return: Steve Ott (UFA to be) Then I move on to NY Rangers: To: Stafford, Sekera and 1st (the draft doesnt have many first rounders that fit Buffalo's draft molds) 3rd from Boston (Glenn Sather loves to stick it to the Bruins In return: Chris Higgins Ryan Callahan Then on to Florida: Our 3rd round pick, and Lydman To Buffalo Jordan Leopold (PP QB and experienced veteran) After the deadline our team would look like: Higgins-Connolly-Pommers Vanek-Roy-Callahan Hecht-Ott-Grier Kennedy/Ellis-Goose-Kaleta Rivet-Butler Myers-Hank Montador-Leopold Miller La-lame I dont know about you guys, but I think that's a gritty team, that could score and survive anything the East could throw at us...thoughts? I like it a lot, but I think that's a lot to give up for Higgins and Callahan. I like both players, but..... |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
higgins is having a bad year last i checked. and i dont think hes up to par with stafford. |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
The only one I like is the Leopold. Mac PLUS for Ott??? |
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| Author: | Timbo Slice [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
daz28 wrote: The only one I like is the Leopold. Mac PLUS for Ott??? Mac and a 4th isn't too bad. I'd do it. Though it might just take Mac. Not sure the pick would be necessary. |
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| Author: | Timbo Slice [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: higgins is having a bad year last i checked. and i dont think hes up to par with stafford. Very bad. 6 goals, 8 assists. Though he did have 52 points (27-25) with Montreal two years ago. |
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| Author: | psychemedisabrefan [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
this might make us look more like sellers than buyers. but i wouldn't mind us trading to get fisher. then i like the callahan idea but would rather let NY keep higgins. i was thinking this offseason Volchenkov is an UFA, Letang is a RFA, Biron is an UFA. what if we make the move to clear up space say a couple picks while bringing in guys like callahan and fisher who will contribute to the benefit of the team as a whole then go after a DFD like Volchenkov, big physical, and Letang in the off season. Letang is able to be the PP QB and has a ring, and is defensively solid, plus wicked in the shoot out, and of course marty as a decent back up. because i can't really see darcy make a lot of moves if any. which the offseason would be hard to believe as well seeing as letang will probably want mike green money which is what you have to hope for so pittsburgh cannot afford him, though odds are they'd let gonchar walk and take re-sign letang. I just think fisher fits the buffalo schematic and i would love him off the senators. i could probably talk myself out of volchenkov as he might say no b/c darcy lowballs him or we don't have a lot of russians. As for the draft i've been a bit pre occupied creating my board for the bills(even though the bills will probably fuck up the draft especially with modrak still at the helm, who the fuck picks maybin over orakpo and cushion. but i think that martindale C kid could be something. I also like Telegin RW and would not be against looking at one of the top tier goalies. As the draft gets closer and more statistical info is available i can make a better assessment. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: higgins is having a bad year last i checked. and i dont think hes up to par with stafford. Higgins plays on a line with Drury and Callahan. Neither are strong passers, and they play against other teams top lines as a checking line. It's no wonder his stats are down, but he gives a ton of effort every night, and would really be a dangerious weapon when paired with a guy like Connolly or Pomminville. I honestly think you could just give up Stafford, Sekera and a 3rd to get The three, but I didn't want to hear people bitch a moan about what Sekera's trade value is. As for MacArthur straight up for Ott, probably could happen, but again, I didn't much feel like listening to all the bitching about how Ott is so much more of a phyiscal player, and brings more to the table, blah blah blah. More often than not, we as a group underestimate the trade value of our players, because we put certain players under a microscope (cough Kotalik, MacArthur, Kalinin, Hecht cough) and while they do have their down moments, each of them offers a unique point of upside. Honestly, my real offers would look something like: Mac for Ott and a 5th from Dallas (Mac RFA signed under light contract, and wont earn much in arbitration) Stafford, Sekera, Boston's 3rd to NYR for Callahan, and Higgins (having down year, lesser value than what he was bought for) Stafford straight up for Callahan is very fair, Sekera and 3rd for Higgins, not quite Scott Gomez value, but at the same time, Higgins isn't producing Scott Gomez points. To Florida 3rd and Lydman for Leopold, (Florida is out of it, picking up an extra pick to build for the future is a viable option) |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
higgins may work hard, and had past success, but the fact that he isnt just struggling, hes downright awful this year doesnt suggest we should trade the effective, though inconsistent stafford. he is at least a half a point a game player. |
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| Author: | Sabresfansince1980 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
Mac and Gragnani/3rd rd pick for Seidenberg. |
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| Author: | sabresEH [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deadline Deals |
Now that Phaneuf is in TOR you will all be sooo glad we didnt get him. Just another shitty dman we can burn all night long. |
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