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Author:  slesh [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Bobby Ryan RFA
Two 30+ goal seasons. I offer this kid 3.8 to 4.2 mil for 3 seasons if possible.
Doubt the Ducks let him go, but I am not sure they can match if they go hunting in FA for Defensemen.

It would be interesting.
Author:  mechaphil [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:54 pm ]
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Hmm

I don't think I would be against Bobby Ryan being here.

He could be a big-money acquisition this off-season.
Author:  jordano [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:05 pm ]
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I was thinking the exact same thing slesh. Why not go for him?
Author:  daz28 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:36 pm ]
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Because Ryan is worth more than Vanek. He will most likely be signed. They aren't that dumb.

If you think you'd get Bobby on a sheet for 4 million, you're on crack. /no offense to anyone.

Edit: do you think we could trade Edmonton's 1st round pick for 4 years(in the cellar) for Bobby?, I think so. He'd be cheaper and better.
Author:  slesh [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:39 pm ]
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daz28 wrote:
Because Ryan is worth more than Vanek. He will most likely be signed. They aren't that dumb.

If you think you'd get Bobby on a sheet for 4 million, you're on crack. /no offense to anyone.


He would normally get around 5 for an offer, now, I don't think so.............I could be wrong though, but I would still put an offer out there for him. Couldn't hurt any.
Author:  daz28 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:41 pm ]
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slesh wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Because Ryan is worth more than Vanek. He will most likely be signed. They aren't that dumb.

If you think you'd get Bobby on a sheet for 4 million, you're on crack. /no offense to anyone.


He would normally get around 5 for an offer, now, I don't think so.............I could be wrong though, but I would still put an offer out there for him. Couldn't hurt any.

Welcome to the new NHL. He's probably considered top-caliber talent, and may draw offers in the Vanek range. I hope Bobby's agent doesn't know this.
Author:  slesh [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:45 pm ]
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daz28 wrote:
slesh wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Because Ryan is worth more than Vanek. He will most likely be signed. They aren't that dumb.

If you think you'd get Bobby on a sheet for 4 million, you're on crack. /no offense to anyone.


He would normally get around 5 for an offer, now, I don't think so.............I could be wrong though, but I would still put an offer out there for him. Couldn't hurt any.

Welcome to the new NHL. He's probably considered top-caliber talent, and may draw offers in the Vanek range. I hope Bobby's agent doesn't know this.

I think you are very mistaken, welcome to the Recession. There is no way he receives over 5.5 a season. Just not smart business by the Ducks and they know it. I think alot of teams are going to find this a hard lesson once the realization hits that this downturn is going to last a while, just ask the BlackHawks.
Author:  daz28 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:55 pm ]
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slesh wrote:
daz28 wrote:
slesh wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Because Ryan is worth more than Vanek. He will most likely be signed. They aren't that dumb.

If you think you'd get Bobby on a sheet for 4 million, you're on crack. /no offense to anyone.


He would normally get around 5 for an offer, now, I don't think so.............I could be wrong though, but I would still put an offer out there for him. Couldn't hurt any.

Welcome to the new NHL. He's probably considered top-caliber talent, and may draw offers in the Vanek range. I hope Bobby's agent doesn't know this.

I think you are very mistaken, welcome to the Recession. There is no way he receives over 5.5 a season. Just not smart business by the Ducks and they know it. I think alot of teams are going to find this a hard lesson once the realization hits that this downturn is going to last a while, just ask the BlackHawks.

If Ryan could be had for 5.5 with only mild compensation(I know I should know it), then at least 10 teams would try. I think I'm over, and your underestimating his value. We'll see. IMO, the Ducks should be pleased to get him for $6m over 5 years. Maybe a bit lower by the recession. No way he goes cheap.

edit: I'm also a fan, so maybe I'm going overbored. I think he's franchise, but so are his linemates.

edit agin: I think this contract is going to draw a lot of attention.
Author:  sabresEH [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:33 am ]
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I'm sure a lot of teams would offer him 5.5mill or more. Atl needs players. COL has tons of cap room and are looking for wingers. The Islanders have more than enough money and open roster spots. The recession doesn't mean that much when it comes to the good players. It means a lot to players like Afi and Moore.
Author:  SabresBillsFan [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:36 am ]
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I would love to see Bobby Ryan in a Sabres uniform but dream on because their is no way in hell Anaheim lets him go.
Author:  Maestro [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:43 am ]
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I just read not too long ago on some hockey web site (no, it wasn't eklund) that don't be surprised if Bobby Ryan lands with Toronto. They said Burke tried to trade for him last summer with no avail and that Ryan may be too costly for the Ducks now. Ducks are in the hunt for a d-men and with Kaberle, Phanuef and bunch of other dudes, Toronto actually has a surplus on defense, and could offer Luke Schenn for Ryan.
Author:  Jim Bob [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:59 am ]
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slesh wrote:
I think you are very mistaken, welcome to the Recession. There is no way he receives over 5.5 a season. Just not smart business by the Ducks and they know it. I think alot of teams are going to find this a hard lesson once the realization hits that this downturn is going to last a while, just ask the BlackHawks.


Are you kidding me?

The cap will not shrink big time next year and the money for top end guys will be there.

The Ducks would love for a team to give Bobby Ryan an offer sheet for less than $4M per as I would expect them to match that without even giving it a second thought.

And personally, I think that Ryan will likely get a better contract than Pominville has right now.

If the Ducks don't want to pay Ryan, my guess is that they would want a Kessel-esque package in return: 2 1sts & a 2nd.
Author:  slesh [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:01 pm ]
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Jim Bob wrote:
slesh wrote:
I think you are very mistaken, welcome to the Recession. There is no way he receives over 5.5 a season. Just not smart business by the Ducks and they know it. I think alot of teams are going to find this a hard lesson once the realization hits that this downturn is going to last a while, just ask the BlackHawks.


Are you kidding me?

The cap will not shrink big time next year and the money for top end guys will be there.

The Ducks would love for a team to give Bobby Ryan an offer sheet for less than $4M per as I would expect them to match that without even giving it a second thought.

And personally, I think that Ryan will likely get a better contract than Pominville has right now.

If the Ducks don't want to pay Ryan, my guess is that they would want a Kessel-esque package in return: 2 1sts & a 2nd.

LOL, well of course I'm dreaming Jim Bob.
I fully realize he is going to be offered 5.5 mil or more. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make him an offer if I'm the GM of the Sabres. But thats not Darcy's style. Its just a pipe dream, but what a pipe dream it is. I can see Bobby Ryan on the RW with Ennis Centering and either Kennedy or another young LWer in their. It sure looks nice though. LOL
Author:  Maestro [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:05 pm ]
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slesh wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
slesh wrote:
I think you are very mistaken, welcome to the Recession. There is no way he receives over 5.5 a season. Just not smart business by the Ducks and they know it. I think alot of teams are going to find this a hard lesson once the realization hits that this downturn is going to last a while, just ask the BlackHawks.


Are you kidding me?

The cap will not shrink big time next year and the money for top end guys will be there.

The Ducks would love for a team to give Bobby Ryan an offer sheet for less than $4M per as I would expect them to match that without even giving it a second thought.

And personally, I think that Ryan will likely get a better contract than Pominville has right now.

If the Ducks don't want to pay Ryan, my guess is that they would want a Kessel-esque package in return: 2 1sts & a 2nd.

LOL, well of course I'm dreaming Jim Bob.
I fully realize he is going to be offered 5.5 mil or more. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make him an offer if I'm the GM of the Sabres. But thats not Darcy's style. Its just a pipe dream, but what a pipe dream it is. I can see Bobby Ryan on the RW with Ennis Centering and either Kennedy or another young LWer in their. It sure looks nice though. LOL


Nice job of back pedaling.... :clap:
Author:  slesh [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bobby Ryan RFA
Maestro wrote:
slesh wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
slesh wrote:
I think you are very mistaken, welcome to the Recession. There is no way he receives over 5.5 a season. Just not smart business by the Ducks and they know it. I think alot of teams are going to find this a hard lesson once the realization hits that this downturn is going to last a while, just ask the BlackHawks.


Are you kidding me?

The cap will not shrink big time next year and the money for top end guys will be there.

The Ducks would love for a team to give Bobby Ryan an offer sheet for less than $4M per as I would expect them to match that without even giving it a second thought.

And personally, I think that Ryan will likely get a better contract than Pominville has right now.

If the Ducks don't want to pay Ryan, my guess is that they would want a Kessel-esque package in return: 2 1sts & a 2nd.

LOL, well of course I'm dreaming Jim Bob.
I fully realize he is going to be offered 5.5 mil or more. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make him an offer if I'm the GM of the Sabres. But thats not Darcy's style. Its just a pipe dream, but what a pipe dream it is. I can see Bobby Ryan on the RW with Ennis Centering and either Kennedy or another young LWer in their. It sure looks nice though. LOL


Nice job of back pedaling.... :clap:

Who has back peddled? I would still offer him the 3.8 to 4.2 mil I stated before. This does not mean I don't agree with others, I just happen to see what is coming, with money problems spread across the next 6 to 8 years in my opinion, this would not be a bad offer, since its already been point out that atleast 10 other teams will make an offer, or could make an offer, or might make an offer.
Whats the point to this post again? Oh, ya, the fact that I thought Buffalo should make the kid an offer, you say 5.5 or better, I say 3.8 to 4.2.
Author:  psychemedisabrefan [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:52 pm ]
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Cap #
Setoguchi, Devin RFA 1.247
Pavelski, Joe RFA 1.637
Johnson, Erik RFA 3.7
Letang, Kris RFA 0.837
Stempniak, Lee UFA 2.5
Foligno, Nick RFA 0.850
Plekanec, Tomas UFA 2.75
Skille, Jack RFA 1.275
Eager, Ben RFA 0.965

other interesting notables.
Author:  Van_Da_Man [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:13 pm ]
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Nick Foligno, please. Stick it to Ottawa, (hopefully) get some idea of how they are beating us so much, and a good home town boy. Win Win Win. But RFA signings need to give up picks as well, right?
Author:  Jim Bob [ Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:08 am ]
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slesh wrote:
LOL, well of course I'm dreaming Jim Bob.
I fully realize he is going to be offered 5.5 mil or more. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make him an offer if I'm the GM of the Sabres. But thats not Darcy's style. Its just a pipe dream, but what a pipe dream it is. I can see Bobby Ryan on the RW with Ennis Centering and either Kennedy or another young LWer in their. It sure looks nice though. LOL


If you are going to hit the crack pipe and dream, why not dream that the Sabres sign Marleau for the league minimum?

That's as likely to happen as the Sabres signing Ryan to an offersheet of less than $4M per year and the Ducks letting him walk.
Author:  Jim Bob [ Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:10 am ]
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Van_Da_Man wrote:
Nick Foligno, please. Stick it to Ottawa, (hopefully) get some idea of how they are beating us so much, and a good home town boy. Win Win Win. But RFA signings need to give up picks as well, right?


RFA compensation is based on the value of the contract.

The bigger the offer sheet, the higher the draft pick compensation if the team opts not to match.
Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:17 pm ]
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The cap won't shrink at all...recession or not.

The cap is based on NHL revenue that year. Think about it; the NHL REVENUE not team revenue. The NHL has signed many exclusive deals this year, and attracted new sponsorships. They received a big offer from Upper Deck to sell them the exclusive rights to creating hockey cards, they renewed several TV contracts, etc, etc, etc. Trust me, they wont let the cap go down and kill teams like Pittsburgh, Washington, Chicago, NYR, Calgary, and so on, all of those teams are fairly crunched by the cap.

Plus on the financial side of things, you can take a 500,000 dollar loss, and write it off over 30 years to make it look like a marginal loss, and dont think it's above any company to do that. It's not illegal if you do it the right way. For example, you take a loan for a project like the winter classic, tack on an additional 750K on it, and pay off the old debt, and float that along for additional years, making it look like you came in under budget on one project, and paid off the debt with the surplus, to attract other investors. It happens all the time; it's the beautiful world of creative accounting.

Don't ask me how I know, just trust me, I know :)
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