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Sabretooth
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:03 pm 
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Good game.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:05 pm 
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After that game I really find myself wondering how anyone can lose to Toronto this year. I mean ever. They just look like a group of tired guys who don't want to be there.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:07 pm 
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shedoesntgetit wrote:
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i am in no way saying vanek sucks. i just agreed vanek isn't playing as great as he should be/isn't all that clutch as his contract leads you to believe.


and also, for what its worth, how many games did it take vanek to pass roy for most points?

with that said, that was a nice little bonus goal by vanek.

Vanek passed Roy at like 43 games or something. Vanek had a bad start of the year just like the rest of the team. Had he had production like he has had this so far in January and now February, he's easily be a PPG player this year, but that's an IF too.




roy was averaging 1.117 ppg, so with that sentiment he'd be at 58 points if he played all 50 games. sure its an if, too, but it shows that roy statistically, THIS SEASON ATLEAST, was a better player. and roy is getting paid over $3 million less than vanek.

Roy had 35 points in 35 games this year, that is only a 1 PPG average this year.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84 ... l-keymatch


But Vanek has 19 points in the 14 games he has play so far in 2011.

It's too bad Vanek has had a few bad stretches this year, Started the year with 4 straight games without points, had a stretch in November and December where he went without points for 5 games or more.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:20 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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shedoesntgetit wrote:

i am in no way saying vanek sucks. i just agreed vanek isn't playing as great as he should be/isn't all that clutch as his contract leads you to believe.


and also, for what its worth, how many games did it take vanek to pass roy for most points?

with that said, that was a nice little bonus goal by vanek.

Vanek passed Roy at like 43 games or something. Vanek had a bad start of the year just like the rest of the team. Had he had production like he has had this so far in January and now February, he's easily be a PPG player this year, but that's an IF too.




roy was averaging 1.117 ppg, so with that sentiment he'd be at 58 points if he played all 50 games. sure its an if, too, but it shows that roy statistically, THIS SEASON ATLEAST, was a better player. and roy is getting paid over $3 million less than vanek.

Roy had 35 points in 35 games this year, that is only a 1 PPG average this year.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=84 ... l-keymatch


But Vanek has 19 points in the 14 games he has play so far in 2011.

It's too bad Vanek has had a few bad stretches this year, Started the year with 4 straight games without points, had a stretch in November and December where he went without points for 5 games or more.


well shit. i pulled the numbers i used for my math off the sabres site, but now im just not sure what i was reading. i've worked the past 8 days straight and am too tired.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:28 pm 
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Honestly, anybody who has a negative thing to say about Vanek after that game belongs being a Leafs fan...fucking eh they dude was amazing. 3 points, 2 hits, 5 or 6 great back checks, and 1 turn over all game...suck it Leafs, suck it haters, go Vanek, go Sabres.

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Honestly, anybody who has a negative thing to say about Vanek after that game belongs being a Leafs fan...fucking eh they dude was amazing. 3 points, 2 hits, 5 or 6 great back checks, and 1 turn over all game...suck it Leafs, suck it haters, go Vanek, go Sabres.


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Powerplayer was run off these boards for repeatedly pissing people off, and breaking the site rules. Nothing more than that.

I get that you want to defend Vanek when you feel he's criticized unfairly. To me, it just gets to be too much when nobody is saying anything, and you have to scream FUCK YOU VANEK HATERS every time he gets on the scoresheet.

Just my .02.

EDIT: And because some people get confused, I'm not talking in super secret mod language that you should stop screaming about Vanek haters every 45 seconds. I just personally find it annoying.


When the hate is so strong (I mean some people have gone as far to call him lazy and out of shape due to the expression on his face when he plays....whole threads about that on the Sabres website prior to reworking it so no one posts there..which I think was a Golisano/Regier mandate.) (Sarcasm in case certain people didn't get it.)

As such, the love will be as strong. Its never gonna go away. Annoying? Sure...funny when people get annoyed by it, you bet.


Passive aggressive much?

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
Honestly, anybody who has a negative thing to say about Vanek after that game belongs being a Leafs fan...fucking eh they dude was amazing. 3 points, 2 hits, 5 or 6 great back checks, and 1 turn over all game...suck it Leafs, suck it haters, go Vanek, go Sabres.

Not good enough. He should have had 6 points, 7 hits, 30 backchecks and -37 turnovers.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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OldTimeHockey wrote:
Passive aggressive much?


Not really.

It's just annoying to me. It's just as annoying when someone makes a critical comment of Miller and 30 people jump out of the woodwork to scream about it.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:58 pm 
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I'll never say Vanek is a complete player, but the gets a lot of heat for things he simply shouldn't get heat for, thats when I get pissed.

If someone wants to say he's not a physical player, fine, I'm the first to admit it. If someone says he's lazy and weak, I take issue with that. I also take issue when people compare him to elite players surrounded by elite talent. Compare him to Rick Nash, both are equally offensively gifted, but surrounded by crap talent, and put up similar numbers ever single year. How sick would Nash be on a line with Semin or Backstrum? Or how sick would he be to play with Malkin and Talbot or something. Superstars rarely succeed on their own, they need solid players around them.

Thats the biggest issue with this team, we rely on 2 guys to do all our scoring (3 when Roy is healthy, 4 when Connolly is playing hard)

It's not the player, it's his supporting cast, people just don't seem to get that.

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OldTimeHockey wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Powerplayer was run off these boards for repeatedly pissing people off, and breaking the site rules. Nothing more than that.

I get that you want to defend Vanek when you feel he's criticized unfairly. To me, it just gets to be too much when nobody is saying anything, and you have to scream FUCK YOU VANEK HATERS every time he gets on the scoresheet.

Just my .02.

EDIT: And because some people get confused, I'm not talking in super secret mod language that you should stop screaming about Vanek haters every 45 seconds. I just personally find it annoying.


When the hate is so strong (I mean some people have gone as far to call him lazy and out of shape due to the expression on his face when he plays....whole threads about that on the Sabres website prior to reworking it so no one posts there..which I think was a Golisano/Regier mandate.) (Sarcasm in case certain people didn't get it.)

As such, the love will be as strong. Its never gonna go away. Annoying? Sure...funny when people get annoyed by it, you bet.


Passive aggressive much?


Yeah, I kind of started everything when I jumped on PSP for finding a reason to criticize Vanek retroactively. Definitely mostly my fault. My big thing is I hate confirmation bias, and I feel that it is responsible for 90% of the Vanek hate, and probably 90% of the hate for every player that winds up being a scapegoat. People form an opinion and allow occurrences that support that opinion to become obvious, and occurrences that refute it to become nearly invisible. Sekera has played probably 40 really solid game this season, but those ten bad games keep people hating him. The same thing is true of Vanek, and I bet if Connolly popped off an 80 point season, it would happen with him.

I thought the assertion that Vanek was invisible last night was one of those instances. He led the team with five shots on goal, and had a few prime scoring chances in front of the net. I don't honestly see how that can be construed as invisible. If you want to harp on him for not burying those chances (and he definitely should have buried the one), then that's at least accurate, but I think that saying he simply was nonexistent last night was flat out wrong and indicative of ignorance and that confirmation bias.

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and the picture was in jest, I knew people would make fun of me for it (deservedly so). I've posted a pic just like it before

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In all fairness, we're ALLOWED to make fun of Connolly. The dude's terrible.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
In all fairness, we're ALLOWED to make fun of Connolly. The dude's terrible.


Connolly actually brings it upon himself to be made fun of. Screw him for playing bad.

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is it just me, or is this board really at odds with each other lately?

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
is it just me, or is this board really at odds with each other lately?

Fuck you hippie!!! ;)

Yup. Seems that you can't say the sky is blue without someone screaming "Not at night!!!!".

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Great analogy.

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is it just me, or is this board really at odds with each other lately?

Fuck you hippie!!! ;)

Yup. Seems that you can't say the sky is blue without someone screaming "Not at night!!!!".


everyone does that. the issue is when it surpasses conversation and turns into issues.

i just dont get why everyone is at odds with each other. people view the game differently. weird im the one trying to keep the peace.

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I'm over it.

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sure you are ;)

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