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Dan Rosen - NHL.com Staff Writer wrote:
SABRES (7-9-3) at CAPITALS (13-4-1)

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Last 10: Buffalo 4-4-2; Washington 8-1-1

Season series -- This is the second of four meetings this season between the clubs. Buffalo needed overtime to beat the Capitals, 3-2, this past Saturday at HSBC Arena. Thomas Vanek scored four minutes into the extra session.

Big Story -- This is the rematch of last Saturday's seesaw game in Buffalo, won by the Sabres on Vanek's OT winner. It remains the Capitals' lone blemish of the month (6-0-1). Ryan Miller made his return from a lower-body injury that night to stop 23 of 25 shots. Buffalo won again on Monday, again in overtime, and is 4-0-1 in its last five games.

Team Scope:

Sabres -- After a dreadful first 30 days of the season (3-9-2 record by Nov. 5), the Sabres have found a way to turn it around. They are 4-0-1 over their last five games and each of the wins has come in either overtime or via the shootout. Miller has stopped 59 of 64 shots since returning from his seven-game hiatus. Derek Roy has points in five-straight games and Vanek has points in four in a row. Tyler Myers scored the overtime winner Monday to give the Sabres a 4-3 win over Vancouver. Buffalo gave up a two-goal lead in the third period, but managed to get the two points anyway.

"Losing hurt, but we kept working hard," Vanek said. "We knew we were going to turn it around. We dug ourselves a pretty good hole, but slowly we are climbing out of it. We're righting the ship here pretty good, but we have to keep going."

Capitals -- After a small stumble in Buffalo, the Capitals got back to their winning ways Sunday with a 6-4 win at home over Atlanta. John Erskine, who had 1 goal in his previous 141 games, scored his second in the last four on Sunday. It was his first goal on home ice since Jan. 19, 2008 and the second game-winner of his career. Erskine is just one of the blueliners who is producing. The Caps D-men have produced 29 points (11 goals, 18 assists) over the last eight games. Erskine, Mike Green, Tyler Sloan, Tom Poti, John Carlson and Karl Alzner have all scored goals.

"I think you need somebody other than Mike Green scoring goals and getting points from the back end if you want to be successful," coach Bruce Boudreau said in the Washington Post. "If those guys are getting them, that's great."

Who's Hot -- Along with the scoring streaks from Roy and Vanek, Sabres forward Mike Grier has points in three straight games and Steve Montador has scored a goal in each of the last two games. … Green is pacing the Capitals' blue-line corps with 12 points in the last nine games, but Sloan had 2 assists Sunday for the first multi-point game of his career.

Injury Report -- Sabres forward Patrick Kaleta left Monday's game with an upper-body injury. … Capitals forward Boyd Gordon has missed the last three games with a lower-body injury and Poti did not practice Tuesday due to what is reportedly a groin injury. He's missed the last two games.

Stat Pack -- Capitals center David Steckel has won 39 faceoffs in the last two games and is 63 percent on draws this season. Entering Tuesday's action, Steckel's winning percentage in the circle was the best in the League among players who qualify in that category. … Wednesday's game features two of the top 10 scoring defensemen in the League as both Green and Jordan Leopold have 13 points.

Puck Drop -- Washington is already running away with the Southeast Division title. The Capitals lead the second-place Lightning by nine points and they've played only 18 games this season. Boudreau isn't so sure how he should feel about that because the last thing he wants is for his team to get complacent before the season is even halfway through.

"You don't want to ever make it a concern that you're doing too good because we really emphasize how important it is early to gain these points because you're going to run into a rough spot and you're going to need the cushion," Boudreau told NHL.com. "But at the same time, last year we won the division by 38 points, so you don't get to play in all of those tough, grind-it-out games at the end of the season. If you think you're all that, be careful what you wish for … but you can't wish to play playoff hockey for the last month and a half of the season because you want to be the team that doesn't have to worry about getting in the playoffs."

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Ima be there. w00t !!!!! Admittedly, my first trip to the Verizon center.

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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
Ima be there. w00t !!!!! Admittedly, my first trip to the Verizon center.


I heard on WGR this morning that 10 of the 19 games the Sabres have played so far have been against backup goalies. I'm guessing that's due to a lack of respect for the team's offense by opposing coaches.

Is this a good thing, or is it building a false sense of security?


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SABRESAllTheWay wrote:
Ima be there. w00t !!!!! Admittedly, my first trip to the Verizon center.


I heard on WGR this morning that 10 of the 19 games the Sabres have played so far have been against backup goalies. I'm guessing that's due to a lack of respect for the team's offense by opposing coaches.

Is this a good thing, or is it building a false sense of security?


Points are points. I'll gladly take them against back-ups...

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With the way they played against Washington and Vancouver, I don't think it would have matter that much if their starters were in net.

Because they still had to play against the top two teams in the league basically.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
With the way they played against Washington and Vancouver, I don't think it would have matter that much if their starters were in net.

Because they still had to play against the top two teams in the league basically.


Can't agree there.

No matter the quality of the team, if the guy in net is weak, things can turn dramatically. The guys on 'GR pointed out 2 of those goals were bad and if Luongo was playing it would've ended in regulation. I know it feels good to ignore that, but I can't.

I know points are points and a win is a win, but I'm trying to get a read on how good this team is right now, so all the variables need to be considered.

The Washington game? The backup goalie wasn't the issue. The Sabres did a great job of frustrating a powerfull offense. The Vancouver game? Facing their backup was a big facttor, especially when you consider who they would've faced if the starter was in net.


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This should be a fun game. Let us try to win this one in regulation.

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2.The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout (NEW for 2010-11).


do u like this rule? I want more OT and normal wins :)

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powerplayer wrote:
Can't agree there.

No matter the quality of the team, if the guy in net is weak, things can turn dramatically. The guys on 'GR pointed out 2 of those goals were bad and if Luongo was playing it would've ended in regulation. I know it feels good to ignore that, but I can't.


That's still a large assumption. Luongo may have stopped those 2 goals, but he very well might have not made 2 other saves in the game during those crazy scrambles. He's been known to let in some cupcakes and goofy rebounds too.

Trying to put a qualifier or asterisk on a win is just unproductive and doesn't make sense. You can't just assume that the other goalie would have changed the outcome. Too many things happen during a game for that to be known. Taking the position that there is no way they win a game if the other goalie was in is simply overarching negativity or and attempt to start shit. I put Schopp and the Pizza Delivery Guy Bulldog in the second category.

The Sabres have no control over who their opponents decide to play on any given night. All the can do is play the game to win each night. Backups or starters, that's what they're doing right now.


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powerplayer wrote:
No matter the quality of the team, if the guy in net is weak, things can turn dramatically. The guys on 'GR pointed out 2 of those goals were bad and if Luongo was playing it would've ended in regulation. I know it feels good to ignore that, but I can't.

To assume that the game would have ended in regulation is way too ambiguous and shouldn't really even be discussed.

Schneider had only played in a handful of games before facing the Sabres, but he was real solid in all of them and put up great numbers. How the hell do the guys over at WGR know if Luongo would have played better than Schneider? They don't. Goalies like Luongo have bad games too.

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As much as Schopp likes to go off on people when they bring up 'what if' scenarios, he was mighty quick to ride this 'they wouldn't have won if Luongo was in' point.


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Squanto wrote:
As much as Schopp likes to go off on people when they bring up 'what if' scenarios, he was mighty quick to ride this 'they wouldn't have won if Luongo was in' point.


Lets say Luongo is in goal, and we don't build up a 3-1 lead. We stay tied 1-1 after two periods.

The Sabres probably don't sit back they way they did with the 3-1 lead. They probably keep pressing.

They could have easily won that game 2-1 with Luongo in goal.

There's no way you can compare what if scenarios the way Schopp would like to.

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Squanto wrote:
That's still a large assumption. Luongo Miller may have stopped those 2 goals, but he very well might have not made 2 other saves in the game during those crazy scrambles. He's been known to let in some cupcakes and goofy rebounds too.

Trying to put a qualifier or asterisk on a win loss is just unproductive and doesn't make sense. You can't just assume that the other goalie Miller would have changed the outcome. Too many things happen during a game for that to be known.


Should this be posted here the next time Lalime loses a game?

Are you trying to have it both ways?

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Taking the position that there is no way they win a game if the other goalie was in is simply overarching negativity or and attempt to start shit.


I'm surprised at your reaction. The point is actually pretty obvious and all because it's stated on the dreaded WGR by some hosts doesn't mean it's inaccurate.

Like I said, I am interested in a realistic assessment of how good this Sabres team is right now. You defending the argument that "the person in net doesn't matter" is absurd.


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I just hope for a win. They're battling back to earn some kind of middle ground in the conference and I'd love to see them go from sucks the big one to sucks the little one.

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powerplayer wrote:
Should this be posted here the next time Lalime loses a game?

Funny, I always see the exact opposite argument here after one of Miller's backups fucks up.

Are you trying to have it both ways?

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Taking the position that there is no way they win a game if the other goalie was in is simply overarching negativity or and attempt to start shit.


I'm surprised at your reaction. The point is actually pretty obvious and all because it's stated on the dreaded WGR by some hosts doesn't mean it's inaccurate.

Like I said, I am interested in a realistic assessment of how good this Sabres team is right now. You defending the argument that "the person in net doesn't matter" is absurd.


Others may take the position that the Sabres would have won a given game that Lalime starts. I will not. I'm not trying to have anything both ways.

I simply don't bother to deal with this specific 'what if' scenario. In my opinion is serves no purpose.

EDIT: I'm also not trying to put forth a theory that the opposing goaltender doesn't matter. I think it's a reasonable point to consider that the Sabres current win streak has come against a string of backups.

That being said, I feel it's unreasonable to go back through these games and try and predict a different outcome had the opponent's starter played the game. It just doesn't make sense. The people who played played, and the outcome is what it was.


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I say it's the same thing if Lalime is in net or not. We like to think Miller might have made those saves, but it depends on so many factors of how the team is playing in front of their goalie.

We've seen it countless times this team plays differently in front of Lalime then it does in front of Miller, and Enroth. The team plays scared with Lalime in net and I don't blame then either. It's tough when you have one of, if not the best, goalie in the league on you team saving your bacon when you mess up something.

But some of the losses to Lalime weren't Lalime's fault either. When Miller went down two years ago, most of those games were one goal games and were very close and he stepped it up and played great, the team didn't in front of him.

I've seen some pretty terrible games on Luongo's part, some so comical it's a wonder how he is considered as good as he really is. And the same with Miller. Every goalie lets in bad goals from time to time.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I say it's the same thing if Lalime is in net or not. We like to think Miller might have made those saves, but it depends on so many factors of how the team is playing in front of their goalie.

We've seen it countless times this team plays differently in front of Lalime then it does in front of Miller, and Enroth. The team plays scared with Lalime in net and I don't blame then either. It's tough when you have one of, if not the best, goalie in the league on you team saving your bacon when you mess up something.

But some of the losses to Lalime weren't Lalime's fault either. When Miller went down two years ago, most of those games were one goal games and were very close and he stepped it up and played great, the team didn't in front of him.

I've seen some pretty terrible games on Luongo's part, some so comical it's a wonder how he is considered as good as he really is. And the same with Miller. Every goalie lets in bad goals from time to time.


Luongo is GROSSLY overrated. He shouldn't be in the top 3 best goalies in the league, IMHO.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
If a meteor had hit HSBC arena, we wouldn't have won...


That depends on when the meteor hit.

If the meteor hit before the game, they'd have to reschedule the matchup at another venue.

If the meteor hit during the game, there would have to have been little enough time left for the game to be called at the current score, assuming the Canucks hadn't tied it up yet. Otherwise, they'd have to reschedule the remainder of the game to be held at another venue...but also would have to recruit new players to fill both benches. Not to mention; new coaching staff, equipment people, concession people, ushers, ticket takers, maintainence crews, puck polishers, etc. And oh yeah, a sizeable percentage of the paying fan public.

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