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Not like that was ever going to happen, but strong words regardless.

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Chicago Blackhawks owner Rocky Wirtz believes Washington Capitals star Alex Ovechkin knew what he was doing when he injured Blackhawks defenseman Brian Campbell on March 14, and Wirtz believes Ovechkin should have been suspended for the rest of the season.

Ovechkin was suspended two games for the hit, which resulted in a fractured clavicle and rib. Campbell is expected to miss seven to eight weeks.

During a taping of an upcoming Crain's Business of Sports video, Wirtz said the suspension should last as long as the injured player is sidelined.

"If any one of our great players put Ovechkin out for the season, he should be out for the season, too," Wirtz told Crain's. "Make it commensurate.

"If you're really going to hurt a player, knee to knee, make a head hit, and you're out for the season, then let them suspend that player for the rest of the season. I'll tell you, you wouldn't see those knee-to-knee and head hits anymore."

Campbell was several feet from the end boards, and after moving the puck, he was pushed from behind by Ovechkin. Campbell crashed shoulder-first into the broads. Ovechkin was assessed a major penalty and a game misconduct. He was penalized as a repeat offender, having been suspended earlier in the season.

"[Ovechkin] doesn't need to do that," Wirtz told Crain's. "It's an angry outburst, for whatever reason, that he has to deal with. I just think he's too great a player, and he doesn't need to do that.

"The puck wasn't even near him, and he shoved [Campbell]. He could have skated the other way. It wasn't by accident. He knew exactly what he was doing."

Ovechkin apologized for the incident and said he didn't mean to injure Campbell.

"The last thing you want to see is your great players in the press box or in the locker room," Wirtz said Tuesday on "The Afternoon Saloon" on ESPN 1000. "I was looking forward to watching Ovechkin, and I feel like I was cheated as a fan.

"What you hate to see is repeated offenses ... and this is not the first time he's rode that pony. It's unnecessary, he's too great of a player."

The Blackhawks lost defenseman Brent Seabrook last Wednesday to a hit by Anaheim Ducks defenseman James Wisniewski, who was suspended eight games. Seabrook is expected to play Tuesday night after missing two games.

"Certainly [the NHL] is talking about [how to prevent dangerous hits], and seeing what they could do before the playoffs," Wirtz said on ESPN 1000. "No one wants to see anyone get hurt.

"The other sports have cracked down on it, and it's times for the NHL to do it. Everyone has to work together. The players have to take responsibility for their own behavior, and the owners have to work with the league and see what they can do, because it just can't go on anymore."

Wirtz doesn't blame the league for suspending Ovechkin just two games, but he said if players knew they would sit out as long as the injured player is sidelined, that could serve as a deterrent.

"If [Wisniewski] came in from the blue line [to make the hit] and thought ... he could be out for the rest of the year .. you're going to think twice before you come in from the blue line and do something like that," Wirtz said.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:06 pm 
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That sounds suspiciously like the proposal one of our members suggested.

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But sometimes players get injured from a clean hit, and just from whiplash, what would you do in that situation?

So he wants to pussyfy the game a bit. If players are thinking to never hit because they might injure another player, we might as well just go to international size ice then.

But if a player has the intent to headshot I say do that, not on hits in general. If it's a hit like the OV one, set the suspension an automatic 10 games, for injuring him and not avoiding the check, as his push from behind was late.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But sometimes players get injured from a clean hit, and just from whiplash, what would you do in that situation?

So he wants to pussyfy the game a bit. If players are thinking to never hit because they might injure another player, we might as well just go to international size ice then.

But if a player has the intent to headshot I say do that, not on hits in general. If it's a hit like the OV one, set the suspension an automatic 10 games, for injuring him and not avoiding the check, as his push from behind was late.

I got the impression that he just wanted stupid shit like ovies knee to knee hits and players like Jackman killdozering guys for no particular reason to end, not hitting.

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But sometimes players get injured from a clean hit, and just from whiplash, what would you do in that situation?

So he wants to pussyfy the game a bit. If players are thinking to never hit because they might injure another player, we might as well just go to international size ice then.

But if a player has the intent to headshot I say do that, not on hits in general. If it's a hit like the OV one, set the suspension an automatic 10 games, for injuring him and not avoiding the check, as his push from behind was late.

I got the impression that he just wanted stupid shit like ovies knee to knee hits and players like Jackman killdozering guys for no particular reason to end, not hitting.


That's exactly the impression I got as well.

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I think these guys need to post their pre-term suspension predictions on their blogs beforehand, so they can't just flip out, and say what they think afterward. That's weak.


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I think his main point was, if the intent to injure was there... and the victim player was seriously injured, the player in question who injured the victim should be suspended for the rest of the season. I agree with that aspect....

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Rutledge222 wrote:
I think his main point was, if the intent to injure was there... and the victim player was seriously injured, the player in question who injured the victim should be suspended for the rest of the season. I agree with that aspect....

That's very complicated though.


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daz28 wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
I think his main point was, if the intent to injure was there... and the victim player was seriously injured, the player in question who injured the victim should be suspended for the rest of the season. I agree with that aspect....

That's very complicated though.



How so? We have the review technology... now it comes down to if the NHL has the gonads to ban someone... you can clearly see if there was an intent to injure on certain plays... on others not so much, do players get injured yes... but I think its clearly definable to see intent to injure and just playing hard.

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Rutledge222 wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
I think his main point was, if the intent to injure was there... and the victim player was seriously injured, the player in question who injured the victim should be suspended for the rest of the season. I agree with that aspect....

That's very complicated though.



How so? We have the review technology... now it comes down to if the NHL has the gonads to ban someone... you can clearly see if there was an intent to injure on certain plays... on others not so much, do players get injured yes... but I think its clearly definable to see intent to injure and just playing hard.

I'm not arguing against your position. I just think that a blanket clause is not good for this.


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Yes, but even if the hit was completely dirty as in the guy getting hit moved but got hit in the head with an elbow and got injured, but it sorta looked like it was intent, but it truly wasn't, then how do you justify that call?

I mean one inch one way the player tries to avoid a surefire clean hit but it ends up being a bad hit, you can't do anything with something like that.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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I see your point, Im just saying... thats how I see it.

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In a perfect world...that's how it should work, but like daz said, it's just too complicated for it to ever be realistic.

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Straight up, he's right.

If players had to serve harsh penalties, they wouldn't even think about making these plays.

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fly as hale wrote:
In a perfect world...that's how it should work, but like daz said, it's just too complicated for it to ever be realistic.



How I wish we had a perfect world... things would be so much better... sigh.... the sabres would have won the cup by now.. ha :doh:

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Rutledge222 wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
I think his main point was, if the intent to injure was there... and the victim player was seriously injured, the player in question who injured the victim should be suspended for the rest of the season. I agree with that aspect....

That's very complicated though.



How so? We have the review technology... now it comes down to if the NHL has the gonads to ban someone... you can clearly see if there was an intent to injure on certain plays... on others not so much, do players get injured yes... but I think its clearly definable to see intent to injure and just playing hard.


This is why it's complicated.

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I figured 5 games would have been fine...it didn't seem that malicious. Unless OV was thinking about that lovely number Campbell did on him when he tried to hit Brian after he executed his spin move. Can't find the damn video though

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