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Howie Hodge
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:58 pm 
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The call late in the game on Henrik Sedin was horrible.

I'm not sure the rest of the calls screamed of a fix though.......

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It was a bad call but the NHL hates it when players say bad stuff about officials.

And? It's bullshit that the NHL can protect their inept officials by handing out fines if players or coaches publically call them out. There's a time and place for everything...and I'm glad that Burrows made it so public that his team was getting deliberately shafted because of some referee's pride.

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Also, Caro, I find it important that instead of possibly getting strong-armed by the league, Burrows' goalie (who kind of is a superstar) backed him right up.

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The fine probably won't be that bad. I wonder if a player kept it up if they would actually levy a fine worth raising your eyebrows at, or actually suspend them. I think the NHL has bylaws that says they can suspend you for anything they damn well please under the umbrella of conduct detrimental to the league.

I can see both sides. On one hand you don't want to foster a culture where the officials are seen as anything other than authority figures.

On the other, you need your officials to have some level of accountability. I think a good idea would be a player, coach, peer, and NHL management based review of the officials so you can get input from all sides. Those that get low marks can get shown the door. Those that get high marks can officiate in the playoffs. The public doesn't even have to know the results of such a conference, just that it's happening.

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fly as hale wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
It was a bad call but the NHL hates it when players say bad stuff about officials.

And? It's bullshit that the NHL can protect their inept officials by handing out fines if players or coaches publically call them out. There's a time and place for everything...and I'm glad that Burrows made it so public that his team was getting deliberately shafted because of some referee's pride.

You go, girl. I agree completely.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I think a good idea would be a player, coach, peer, and NHL management based review of the officials so you can get input from all sides. Those that get low marks can get shown the door. Those that get high marks can officiate in the playoffs. The public doesn't even have to know the results of such a conference, just that it's happening.

I'm afraid this would just start a fight, and create a rift.

A call is a call, and once it's made, you can't change it. These guys certainly need to be accountable, but by their bosses(who subsequently need to make the appropriate decisions). Scrutiny is one thing, but this ref is blatantly cheating, and that's a whole different story.

Now I personally think the refs need to be more accountable, but if there was a higher turnover, I'd expect even more shenanigans then. Like any business, you want a few guys you know you can trust.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
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If these allegations are true, I think this ref is going to lose his job.


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The NHL is looking into the matter and sources tell TSN that while Colin Campbell will be handling the investigation, commissioner Gary Bettman will be heavily involved in the process.


He should too but I don't like seeing that Bettmans will be "heavily involved" in the investigation. We all know he favors the officials and will not doubt affect the integrity and probable outcome it.


of course he favors officials. its called backing your employees. when you fuck up at your job, and you have a customer complaint, doesn't your boss back you up to save face, but have a talk with you behind closed doors? or tell the customer, "he did his job correctly, but i'll make an exception for you," backing you up?


That is exactly why he shouldn't be involved in the investigation. It's called being fair and objective. This isn't a minor allegation. Officials are suppose to be neutral in the way they official and if he they prove he wasn't, then you have to question every game he has ever called. That could have have HUGE ramifications for the whole league both from the players stand point and the fans. Fans already believe there is favortism among the officials and this just adds fuel to that fire.

Yes, my boss will back me on minor allegations without a second thought but there are some that he CAN NOT immediately back me on. As a matter of fact, my boss cannot investigate certain allegations because of the severity of the allegation. I feel this is the case, in this situation. This is a MAJOR allegation and needs to be handled professionally without any possibility of bias...

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daz28 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I think a good idea would be a player, coach, peer, and NHL management based review of the officials so you can get input from all sides. Those that get low marks can get shown the door. Those that get high marks can officiate in the playoffs. The public doesn't even have to know the results of such a conference, just that it's happening.

I'm afraid this would just start a fight, and create a rift.

A call is a call, and once it's made, you can't change it. These guys certainly need to be accountable, but by their bosses(who subsequently need to make the appropriate decisions). Scrutiny is one thing, but this ref is blatantly cheating, and that's a whole different story.

Now I personally think the refs need to be more accountable, but if there was a higher turnover, I'd expect even more shenanigans then. Like any business, you want a few guys you know you can trust.

I don't see CV's idea as being a bad thing if it can be organized in a constructive manner. I wouldn't involve the players but a coach/peer review board would be good.

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Burrows fined for comments regarding referee

"Vancouver Canucks' forward Alexandre Burrows has been fined $2,500 following his derisive comments regarding referee Stephane Auger after Monday's 3-2 loss to the Nashville Predators..."
Yeah. OK NHL. Way to not be a fucking joke.

Might it not have made more sense for Gary to fine him AFTER their "investigation" was complete? Kind of like sentencing before the jury was finished deliberating on a verdict.

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http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=305888

And no discipline for Auger...what a surprise.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=305888

And no discipline for Auger...what a surprise.


Yeah I know its bull.

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Ugh. Bettman... You make kitty scared.

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Wow.

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Sabre's fans need to get their act together and start booing crappy officials when they're announced at Sabres games.

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Alex Burrows does have a bad rap for being a diver, and a shit disturber. I can see why the officials were out to "get him".

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I wonder if the refs are going to ban together now and go after Burrows/the Canucks after his words.

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fly as hale wrote:
I wonder if the refs are going to ban together now and go after Burrows/the Canucks after his words.


I would think so after he singled out one of them.

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What a crock of shit...can't the NHL man up and stop protecting these officials who are tarnishing the game with each and every bogus call. The fans want to watch hockey, not a bunch of egotistical referees making bullshit call after bullshit call because a hockey player hurt their feelings.

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The NFL has it's problems, but they do deserve credit because they'll occasionally admit when their officials made a mistake, and tell you what they're going to try and do to prevent it.

The NHL fails miserably when it comes to any integrity of the game issues such as this.


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Officiating Professional sports is exceedingly difficult to be right in much of the time, especially given the instant replay available today. I seriously doubt there are people typing on their computers, or watching the games anywhere who would be better than the current officials.

We waste too much time bemoaning the officiating in all sports. It all evens out in the end.

It is what it is. If players want to publicly call officials credibility and integrity into question, then they taint the sport, and should be disciplined/fined.

If they truly believe something underhanded is afoot, then they should pursue it through their clubs and the league, and prove it. If proven, then the league must act. If they can't prove it, then they need to STFU.

It's too convenient to blame officiating for our teams losing, or failure. Does it sometimes play a role? Yes it does, but that is the same for all teams in all sports.

And yes, I do agree that if officials badly screw something up that they should probably stand accountable if it is excessive, or in very poor form. But, this is inevitable. It's not going to change until we morph into infallible people.....

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