Why is it forbidden to fight the goalie? The Code? There isn't any fucking "Code" in hockey and there hasn't ever been, contrary to what dinosaurs like Don "I'm racist and xenophobic but I'm old so it's endearing, kids!" Cherry say.

People talk about the lack of respect in the game, but tell me when there WAS respect. Anyone? Bueller?

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mechaphil

He didn't drop his gloves but he was shaking them which is the international sign for "Let's Rumble". Like I said, I see it differently. Aside from the goalie tussle though, two guys on one is just shitty.

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why is it forbidden to hit women? or children? the goalie is at a distinct disadvantage for 1. and you protect the goalie at all costs. you just dont do it.

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Equating two grown men punching each other as willing combatants to a grown man striking a woman or child is a weak ass argument and you know it.

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mechaphil

not really. one is at a distinct disadvantage. i find typically the people in favour of beating the hell out of the goalie are the same ones who think a goalie should be fair game when out of the crease. let the skaters sort it out and leave the goalies alone.

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Then I guess Brent Johnson shouldn't have been so accommodating to the challenge, if goalies are at such a disadvantage. Oh Brent Johnson, why did you ever drop your mitts and have a go at him? Why oh why, don't you know what could've happened? You could've STRAIGHT UP FUCKING DIED.

Get off it.

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mechaphil

brent johnson is the exception to the rule, as was emery. they didnt care they were at a distinct disadvantage. its wrong no matter how you slice it.

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Ron Hextall and Battlin' Billy Smith beg to differ

I see both sides of this coin and I think the only "code" there is or was in the league from days gone by is that you didn't and don't go after a guy who is smaller than you or that is not willing to toss knuckles. If two guys are willing to drop the mitts, regardless of their position, then let'em go. They're the ones who have to visit the dentist or the trainer afterwards to get stitched up or teeth fixed.

I’ve gone after guys for trying to rough up my goalie back in the day but at the same time if they’re the ones that start jawing, shooting off and initiate the whole thing either by words or actions, I’ve let them stand up for themselves as long as no one else jumped in. As my dad used to say; If you’re old and ugly enough to start shit, you better be willing and able to back it up.

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If it's a tight squeeze, spit on it! - NyI

He's a middling AHL player who had the good fortune of a drunk arbitrator. - The Squanto re: Tim Kennedy

If it was wrong, Johnson shouldn't have dropped the mitts. Then we'd be talking about an unwilling combatant being jumped and cursing Haley's name, instead of talking about two willing combatants while STILL cursing Haley's name.

Johnson knew what he was getting into. Emery knew what he was getting into. Miller slugging Stajan knew what he was getting into. Lalime spearing that Penguin in the nads knew what he was getting into. Whether instigating the aggression or accepting a challenge, a goalie is fair game to fight if he's actively involved.

When skaters square off, do I think a goalie should be paired up? No, because he's not actively involved (unless it's a goalie fight). When a goalie cheap shots a skater, do I think a goalie should pair up? Yes, defend your antics bitch. When a goalie is chirping like a schoolyard skank and is challenged, do I think a goalie should pair up? Yes, don't talk big and shrink away bitch. If a goalie is actively involved in violent shenanigans, he's fair game.

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mechaphil

A Bingo!

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If it's a tight squeeze, spit on it! - NyI

He's a middling AHL player who had the good fortune of a drunk arbitrator. - The Squanto re: Tim Kennedy

You're honestly going to make the argument that the equipment a goaltender wears, that's designed to prevent injury from frozen galvanized rubber hitting them at close to 100mph isn't good enough to take a punch from a human hand?

Ok.

Yes, two on one is shitty. No reason for that.

You still ignored my previous point though. Johnson doesn't shake his gloves off and say let's go if Haley doesn't come down to challenge him.

i had no problem with emery and peters, and i have no problem with johnson and haley squaring off. what i have a problem with is the other ass hat from the pens jumping in AFTER johnson openly engaged in the fight. its not like haley went all jonathan roy and completely destroyed an unwilling opponent, johnson got himself involved, he should be able to take care of himself.

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FIGHTER OF THE NIGHTMAN

"on the ice now for buffalo, looking for the pass, and gets it, afinogenov, couldnt get the shot away, now HE DOES, HE SCORES!!!! HOLY MACKEREL ROLE THE HIGH LIGHT FILM, MAXIM AFINOGENOV, WHAT A MOVE!!!!.... thats not fair... that was unbelievable"
-R.J. and Lorenz

who the hell gets in a fight and punches the body?

whats the most important factor in hockey fighting? balance. who holds a MAJOR advantage in that? a skater. why? because goalie equipment is extremely restrictive. especially the leg pads.

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Hailey challenged him, Brent Johnson said okay. They both obviously wanted to fight, and a goalie is allowed to fight without suspension or a worse consequence. Johnson isn't defenseless. Look at what he did to DiPietro. If he can break a dude's face, he can fight a skater.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

i understand that. my opinion is just because it can happen, doesnt mean it should.

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Why not? Johnson wanted to go. I think when Cooke (I think it was him) tried fighting with Pominville and Pominville just sat there holding his arms because he didn't want to fight, that was WAY worse than this situation. If Johnson was backing away and Hailey charged at him THEN my opinion would be different. But they both wanted to go. Johnson broke another goalie's jaw with a single punch. He can fight Hailey, who isn't even a fighter.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

i understand johnson is perfectly capable of fighting. a skater shouldnt engage physically with a goalie. its a no-no to me.

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Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11043/11 ... z1Dm5IgUOy





Here's the hit they are talking about, I wish Errey would just go far away somewhere.



I dunno, kind of looks like a blind sider, they had a legitimate beef. Interestingly enough those two have a long history of collisions all over youtube.


I think the Islanders more than owned the Penguins last night, in every sense of the word.

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"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

All I know is we would all be pitching a fit if Chris Neil came into Buffalo and injured Grier then went after Miller or Lalime; we'd all be outraged...

Take off your fan caps for a second and look at this situation.

The Isles have been starting shit with the Pens all night, blowing them out on the scoreboard, and head hunting. I don't see how anyone can defend the actions of attacking a goalie who has about 1/2 the range of motion as someone in skaters gear. Sure Johnson is a man, and he can handle himself, but skating 100+ feet out of your way to go after someone, especially after you've already been in a fight and won, is just chicken shit. Especially going after someone who isn't a skater, you go after a goalie, a guy who has done nothing all game except let in goals. Don't care if you don't want to think there is a code, thats your opinion, but the general rule of thumb is you don't fuck with another teams goalie, ever. It's like beaning another teams pitcher in baseball, you just dont do it. There's no rule about it, but it clears the benches almost every time.

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