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| Author: | End The Curse [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
PHOENIX - An emergency hearing has been called for tomorrow to discuss the Phoenix Coyotes. Judge Redfield T. Baum is apparently set to rule once and for all on who operates the club: Jerry Moyes, who filed for bankruptcy protection, or the NHL. Jim Balsillie meantime, has filed court documents claiming teams do have veto rights over their home territory, something the NHL has denied. The issue heated back up recently, when Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk told our sister station, The Fan 590, teams do have the right to block teams from operating in their territory. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Oh nice, so Hamilton is out of the question because we all know Toronto would say hell no. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Oh nice, so Hamilton is out of the question because we all know Toronto would say hell no. Actually, territorial veto rights are unconstitutional, so what's happening here is Balsillie and Moyes are setting the stage for a massive anti-trust/racketeering lawsuit against the NHL following the ruling should the NHL be awarded the Coyotes. |
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| Author: | sabresindc [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
End The Curse wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Oh nice, so Hamilton is out of the question because we all know Toronto would say hell no. Actually, territorial veto rights are unconstitutional, so what's happening here is Balsillie and Moyes are setting the stage for a massive anti-trust/racketeering lawsuit against the NHL following the ruling should the NHL be awarded the Coyotes. Ok, I'm tired of this bullshit and would really like Balsillie to just go away. He is a little crybaby who thinks he should get his way just because he's a billionaire. |
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| Author: | Wozniak [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:47 pm ] |
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End The Curse wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Oh nice, so Hamilton is out of the question because we all know Toronto would say hell no. Actually, territorial veto rights are unconstitutional, so what's happening here is Balsillie and Moyes are setting the stage for a massive anti-trust/racketeering lawsuit against the NHL following the ruling should the NHL be awarded the Coyotes. to do the territorial veto rights work when crossing international lines? or what about canadian anti-trust laws? Granted, im no lawyer, but we are dealing with two countries here. or is that point mute since the case is being handled in America? as for the territorial veto, the NHL says thats its a myth, Balsallie says thats its there...its it really that hard to open the damn NHL rulebook/guidelines/charter/whatever and see that the actual answer is? this sounds weird but i would kind of side with the NHL here, Balsallies on evidence that this exists are a couple radio interviews... |
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| Author: | icehound [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Eugene Melnyk (Sens' owner) put his foot in it recently, when he stated on the radio that the Senators would not allow another NHL team into what they perceived was their "territory" - When asked if he would exercise his rights to "veto" any NHL decision to expand into the Ottawa area, he responded that he would, and that he expected the same would be the case with Toronto: He owns the (Mississauga, Ont) St. Michael's OHL team, and MLSE wouldn't let them play an exhibition against the Sens locally because it was in their "territory". The NHL has been claiming all along that no such rights existed...Gene stepped in it. Balsillie's legal team picked up on it and filed a motion, based on the fact that the NHL had misled the court - By claiming that it wasn't because Toronto wouldn't let a Hamilton franchise exist (heaven forbid, that wasn't allowed in the NHL) it was the owners didn't want him in... The lies are unravelling. |
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| Author: | Wozniak [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
thats all fine and good. an owner can say whatever they want. but has anyone bothered to actually get a hold of the NHL guidelines or whatever and see if there is an actual territory veto? |
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| Author: | icehound [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
That it may not be written into the league constitution does not mean that there isn't a tacit understanding - Collusion Laws aren't based on what you "say", but on what is "agreed upon, behind closed doors". That's the nature of conspiracy. It is secretive, until exposed by acknowledgement of word (by a co-conspirator) or act. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Wozniak wrote: thats all fine and good. an owner can say whatever they want. but has anyone bothered to actually get a hold of the NHL guidelines or whatever and see if there is an actual territory veto? Yes, and there are disputes with the language. The question also is whether it has been implemented in practice, outside of the league laws...which is collusion under federal racketeering laws. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:36 pm ] |
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Great minds think alike...or is it drunk minds? Or both? |
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| Author: | icehound [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:38 pm ] |
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End The Curse wrote: Great minds think alike...or is it drunk minds? Or both? ...I though it was: "Grade 9's think alike..."
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| Author: | Squanto [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:50 pm ] |
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Wozniak wrote: thats all fine and good. an owner can say whatever they want. but has anyone bothered to actually get a hold of the NHL guidelines or whatever and see if there is an actual territory veto? http://multimedia.thestar.com/acrobat/0 ... 855bec.pdf Article IV : Territorial rights Section 4.1 , Definitions (c) : Home Territory. With respect to any member, means : Each Member Club shall have exclusive territorial rights in the city in which it is located and within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits. Section 4.3, last sentence : No franchise shall be granted for a home territory within the home territory of a member, without the written consent of such member. Go ahead Gary, keep saying there's no veto. Fucking moron. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Squanto wrote: Wozniak wrote: thats all fine and good. an owner can say whatever they want. but has anyone bothered to actually get a hold of the NHL guidelines or whatever and see if there is an actual territory veto? http://multimedia.thestar.com/acrobat/0 ... 855bec.pdf Article IV : Territorial rights Section 4.1 , Definitions (c) : Home Territory. With respect to any member, means : Each Member Club shall have exclusive territorial rights in the city in which it is located and within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits. Section 4.3, last sentence : No franchise shall be granted for a home territory within the home territory of a member, without the written consent of such member. Go ahead Gary, keep saying there's no veto. Fucking moron. Yes, but the league is claiming that in 2006, while being investigated by Canada's competition bureau, they held a secret meeting of the board of governors agreeing in principle that there are no territorial rights. This amendment was never made in writing, but Bettman and company say it's so, that's their story, and they're sticking to it... Yes, that will not hold up in court very well, which is why Balsillie is posturing not for Judge Baum, but for the appellate court to come. |
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| Author: | Jim Bob [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
http://www.bayobserver.ca/index.php?post_id=346 Quote: Invited to meet with Seymour Knox(senior 2nd) in his office at the old Buffalo Auditorium three weeks after Ron Joyce's bid was rejected. Present with me was the Mayor.He was quite irate and angry with us regarding trying to get a team in Hamilton. He said he had a lot of money invested in the Sabers and was not about to let anyone in his 50 mile protected territory. I advised him that Hamilton was over the 50 mile radius to Buffalo and that there was no veto provisions for him in the NHL constitution. He said I was wrong and that his measurement was related to "how the crow flies) and not by land. He said that having a team in Hamilton would hurt both Buffalo & Toronto and that both had the veto power to exclude us at any time. He suggested that a team would never come and swore "over his dead body". He told us to be happy with an AHL team and stop whining as we were not a primary market but a secondary one. He also stated that we should have never built Copps Coliseum....it was a stupid government decision.
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| Author: | Jim Bob [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 2j3bWnCPJg Quote: Mr. Melnyk admitted the continued effectiveness of the illegal NHL constitutional territorial veto,” Balsillie’s lawyers said in court papers. “Moreover, his remarks confirm that the real reason for the rejection of Mr. Balsillie’s ownership application is this veto.” Just because the veto exists doesn't prove that the veto is the reason why the NHL owners didn't approve Balsillie this time around. The NHL can point out that Buffalo and Toronto both abstained in the 26-0 vote as evidence to the contrary. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Jim Bob wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=at2j3bWnCPJg Quote: Mr. Melnyk admitted the continued effectiveness of the illegal NHL constitutional territorial veto,” Balsillie’s lawyers said in court papers. “Moreover, his remarks confirm that the real reason for the rejection of Mr. Balsillie’s ownership application is this veto.” Just because the veto exists doesn't prove that the veto is the reason why the NHL owners didn't approve Balsillie this time around. It does, however, indicate that the NHL is willfully engaged in illegal collusion and racketeering, which certainly does put that vote into legal dispute. Remember, this will undeniably go to appellate court, and it's there that the NHL and Bettman face their most dire consequences. |
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| Author: | Wozniak [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
ok then, the NHL is fucked in that regard. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breaking News: Baum Calls Emergency Meeting |
Well for a team to be moved the owners need to agree to let that owner move or the NHL can do something about it anyway, isn't it 2/3rds with the NHL because with football it is 3/4ths of the owners need to agree on it now. |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:27 pm ] |
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This shit is getting more ridiculous by the day. |
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| Author: | Rutledge222 [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:10 pm ] |
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I think this is all just a publicity stunt... seriously its getting old. We dont care anymore to be honest... and what I meant by publicity stunt is that the NHL is getting some limelight here with all this stuff going on... |
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