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PuckSniperPensel
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4-3 W over the Leafs.
1-3 L to the Rangers.
2-3 L to the Flyers.
3-2 OTL to the Flyers.
2-5 W over the Predators.
5-2 L to the Hurricanes.

I bet Pittsburgh wins the Atlantic.

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i dont. last i heard kovie is considering taking a huge discount to stay with the devils.

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just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.


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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
4-3 W over the Leafs.
1-3 L to the Rangers.
2-3 L to the Flyers.
3-2 OTL to the Flyers.
2-5 W over the Predators.
5-2 L to the Hurricanes.

I bet Pittsburgh wins the Atlantic.

I don't discount what the facts are here, mainly becuase numbers don't lie. But, to be fair and in all personal honesty, Kovy would have been much better on the Sabres due to the talent he would have been playing with across the board. NJ, by their own admittance only roles 2 lines consistent in scoring. Buffalo on the contrary, rolls a potential 3 or 4 lines (depending on the lineup) with gifted players who work very hard to put the puck in the net, sometimes against the oppositions shutdown lines.

With this in mind, I feel Kovy would have been the greatest fit at LW for Connolly and Pomminville.

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So, do you think this trade messed up their chemistry?


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So, do you think this trade messed up their chemistry?

Not really, it takes more than 4 games to gel together. Come the middle of March, NJ is going to be a very competitive team, and Kovy will by a key component to that competitiveness. Give it a little time and things will answer themselves.
But I do not for one moment believe that adding him delutes the chemistry pool, if anything, he adds a new deminsion that NJ players will have to get accustomed to.

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Timbo Slice wrote:
So, do you think this trade messed up their chemistry?


I'm saying I don't think Kovi is the type of player that can commit to playing in a system like the Devils are running.

Time will tell.

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motzie12ak wrote:
just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.



Pittsburg- Malkin, Crosby, Fluery
NJ Devils- Broduer, Parise, now Kovi.
Detroit- Zetteburg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom.

Your statement took a shit on you.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
motzie12ak wrote:
just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.



Pittsburg- Malkin, Crosby, Fluery
NJ Devils- Broduer, Parise, now Kovi.
Detroit- Zetteburg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom.

Your statement took a shit on you.

Detroit has all those players yet are not in a playoff position currently.

The Devils have lost their past 12 of 17 or whatever it is, and this is before Kovi came to town. The Devils are freefalling possibly.

Pittsburgh, well it all depends come playoff time, I don't think they have a defense capable of shutting down any team that can score, and they can be held to less than five goals a game also. They are also like the Sabres of 06-07, unless Fluery becomes a beast in these playoffs like two years ao, Pittsburgh isn't going far.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
motzie12ak wrote:
just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.



Pittsburg- Malkin, Crosby, Fluery
NJ Devils- Broduer, Parise, now Kovi.
Detroit- Zetteburg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom.

Your statement took a shit on you.


I will poop on you by saying, there is no general rule regarding super stars.

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Look at Atlanta when they had Kovie, and Hossa, or Heatley and Kovie.

How did that work for them?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Look at Atlanta when they had Kovie, and Hossa, or Heatley and Kovie.

How did that work for them?

Once again, I find myself pointing to the factually based situation at hand. No one, not one single person, can honestly make a direct connection between what Kovy has done in Atlanta and merge that with what he will do with another organization, it is pure conjecture. I stand by my statement, based on the talent currently on the Sabres, combined with the talent we have seen Kovy play with, that it would have significantly improved the performance of certain players on the Sabres roster, Namely, Connolly and Pomminville.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
motzie12ak wrote:
just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.



Pittsburg- Malkin, Crosby, Fluery
NJ Devils- Broduer, Parise, now Kovi.
Detroit- Zetteburg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom.

Your statement took a shit on you.

He said not always. It can sometimes, like Detroit and Pittsburgh. Other times, not so much. Look at San "choke when it counts" Jose, Ottawa, NY Rangers

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motzie12ak wrote:
just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.


depends on the makeup of the team.
the devils dont have a plethoria of superstars, but alot of very good players. and if you are going to write the devils off based on a 6 game stretch, well, thats downright stupid. theres an adjustment period, and kovie is a world class player. he will adjust just fine, and so will the devils.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Look at Atlanta when they had Kovie, and Hossa, or Heatley and Kovie.

How did that work for them?


did you see the rest of the team? it was horrible. it was not their fault they were not a solid team. didnt one year, the thrashers have to use 8 goalie because of injury?

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Well, here's the thing...

They gave up Oduya, and Bergfors for Kovie.

May not look like much, but when you think about it, they had to add 3 new players to a roster of 20. Thats 15% of their roster being shaken up. Not to mention new line mates for everyone. It fucks up the chemistry of the team. Give them 10-12 games, and if they still haven't figured it out, which I dont think they will, they're going to look awful foolish making this trade.

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Well I told ya so.

Kovalchuk IS overrated. Hes the perfect example of a selfish, one dimensional sniper. NJ's system is based around D first something Kovy isn't used to so it was absolutely obvious his stats would go down and they did!

It really depends which mentality a superstar is brining to the locker room. Guys like Crosby, Zetterberg, Parise or Lundqvist are the ones to built chemistry around. Kovalchuk brought himself into the "$$$$ first" situation and right now it backfires!

Anyway the Devils are gonna be very competitive come playoffs. Argueable Kovalchuk will add some danger but he'll also bring locker room cancer!

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its been 6 games. 6. and as already pointed out, kovy may take a major discount to stay in new jersey. he just wanted out of atlanta. one dimensional? maybe. overrated? absolutely not.

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BS1970 wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
motzie12ak wrote:
just proof that a big name is not always the answer to winning. the new york rangers are a great example.



Pittsburg- Malkin, Crosby, Fluery
NJ Devils- Broduer, Parise, now Kovi.
Detroit- Zetteburg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom.

Your statement took a shit on you.

He said not always. It can sometimes, like Detroit and Pittsburgh. Other times, not so much. Look at San "choke when it counts" Jose, Ottawa, NY Rangers



thank you for understanding!! only thing though, im a she not a he ;-)

but I know that sometimes having big names does help. It really does depend on the team. I was just trying to say that it doesn't work ALL the time. I'm not saying the devils and kovy isn't going to work out for them. there is still time. We'll see how it goes.


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exactly. if they lose 5 straight, THEN ill begin to wonder. but this thread is abit premature. and i hate when that happens. (BOOSH!)

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