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Author:  icehound [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

Courtesy of Faceoff.com:

Habs add defenceman Bergeron

"The Montreal Canadiens have agreed to a one-year contract with defenceman Marc-Andre Bergeron, reportedly worth $750,000 US.

Bergeron, 29, played 72 games with the Minnesota Wild last season scoring 14 goals - including seven on the power-play - and 18 assists.

The five-foot-nine, 198-pound skater is entering his eighth NHL season having played 339 games with the Oilers, Islanders, Ducks and Wild. Bergeron reports to the American Hockey League's Hamilton Bulldogs on Wednesday for conditioning purposes.

Bergeron is expected to bolster the Canadiens' blue-line as the team lost Andrei Markov (ankle surgery) for three-to-four months in the season-opener against Toronto last week and Ryan O'Byrne for up to six weeks with a knee injury suffered Saturday."


Good deal. Too bad the Sabres didn't have the cap or space or moxy to invite him to camp.

Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

Well, where does he fit on our roster? we're already paying paetsch 850K against the cap to sit as our 8th dman this year.

Given the choice, would you rather have myers or bergeron, because thats the choice we'd of had to make.

Author:  icehound [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

Gene Melnyk in Ottawa would have opened the billfold and waived Tallinder...that's why I said "moxy". It means "balls". "Going for the brass ring".

Passionate owners, who want to win it all do NOT let money, (previous) poor decisions and changes in roster performance dictate the face and character of their team - Looking at the "big picture", rather than "the bottom line".

Author:  Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

But Tallinder is still better than Paestch on defense according to them, so it is sad we just have too many players fighting for spots.

I guess having this many players fighting for spots is actually a good sign.

Author:  Timbo Slice [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

I'd have played Bergeron and sat Hank.

Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

Timbo Slice wrote:
I'd have played Bergeron and sat Hank.



Puts us over the salary cap. Now you're talking about players like Ellis, Paetsch, Paille, MacArthur, ect having to clear waivers, and we lose talent on the back end for a player that is the exact same as Hank, or you run the risk of Myers being cut from the roster to protect an asset.

We could have bought out Hank, but thats a big check to cash, and really, at this point as good as he looks, Myers is still a question mark. It's not necessarily a great situation to be in, but we've handled it the right way.

Author:  icehound [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

The cap only applies to "on-ice" roster...you can have $10 mil sitting in the pressbox, and rotate it through the roster - So long as you have $56.8 mil on the bench, for any given game.

Naturally, no one wants to pay for assets they won't use, but technically you can have $100 mil in talent, so long as you dress and play only the cap.

Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Depleted Habs Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron.

icehound wrote:
The cap only applies to "on-ice" roster...you can have $10 mil sitting in the pressbox, and rotate it through the roster - So long as you have $56.8 mil on the bench, for any given game.

Naturally, no one wants to pay for assets they won't use, but technically you can have $100 mil in talent, so long as you dress and play only the cap.



I'm not sure about that. I am doing the research now, but I am 99% sure that if they are on the active roster (with the NHL Club, and not on the IR) they count against the cap. That was the issue with Philly last season, was why they couldn't just sit a player like Vaananan and had to waive him, or just couldn't sit a few other 1.2 1.3M dollar players. It's also why Briere was forced to go on "conditioning" assignments to the AHL.



-------------EDIT

From NHLSCap.com
Quote:
Who counts against the cap?
It depends - are we talking about during the season or in the offseason? Let's cover both scenarios:

DURING THE SEASON
During the season (not the team's season, the League's season), anyone on a team's NHL roster counts against the cap. This includes players on the Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non Roster and Non Roster. It also includes players who have a "bona-fide long-term injury" or LTI as well as players sent to the minors on conditioning assignments and players placed on waivers (until such time that they are assigned). Also included are any deferred salary and bonuses earned as a result of playing in a league year under the new CBA, and any ordinary buyouts. The new CBA lists one other area, but I'll omit it for now unless it happen to take place.

In addition, 50.5(d)(i)(B)(5) states the following:
All Player Salary and Bonuses earned in a League Year by a Player who is in the second or later year of a multi-year SPC which was signed when the Player was age 35 or older (as of June 30 of the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective), but which Player is not on the Club's Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non Roster or Non Roster, and regardless of whether, or where, the Player is playing, except to the extent the Player is playing under his SPC in the minor leagues, in which case only the Player Salary and Bonuses in excess of $100,000 shall count towards the calculation of Averaged Club Salary;

So if a 35-year old player signs a 3-year contract and meets the criteria set above, his average salary would count against the team's cap for the 2nd and 3rd years of the contract regardless of where (or if) the player is playing. If that player plays in the minors, then his Averaged Club Salary less $100,000 would count.



NOTE: This does NOT mean that a player who is over the age of 35 in the current League Year counts against the Upper Limit. If a player signed a 5-year contract at the age of 32 and is now 35, he can be sent to the minors and will not count against the Upper Limit. The first requirement is that the player must be 35 or older in the League Year when the SPC first becomes effective. The current popular example: even though Darius Kasparaitis turned 35 during the 2007-08 season, he did not count against the Upper Limit after being assigned to Hartford (AHL) because he was only 29 when he signed his contract with the Rangers in 2001. Even if he had signed a 2-year deal for 2007-08 and 2008-09, he still would not count for '08-09 while in Hartford because he was 34 on June 30, 2007.



Players on a team's Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non Roster or Non Roster as of 5:00pm New York time on a particular day count toward the team's Upper Limit; in addition, if a player practices or travels with his NHL team or plays in an NHL game prior to 5:00pm and is then assigned to the minors, he will still count for that day.


Basically any player on the active roster, still counts against your cap. He'd have to be off the active roster, pending waivers I guess.

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