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You know what? I think it's bull shit.

Patrick Kane won the cup last year, he's an AMERICAN BORN player, he won a SILVER MEDAL with the US olympic team, and the NHL doesn't market him the way they market Crosby.

You know why losing Crosby would be detrimental to the league? Because the league fails to recognize that they have more than one star.

You don't see the NBA putting Lebron James or Kobe Bryant all over EVERYTHING.

Guys like Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady... they get plenty of exposure, too.

I hate basektball and I don't even WATCH the NBA and I know these names.

Don't put all of your eggs into one basket, morons. Look what can happen.

At any rate, you get my point.

If you only market Crosby, the casual sports fan will pass over a San Jose-Vancouver game because they have no idea what good hockey they're in for!

Make the whole league seem worth it, and more people will be interested in games.

Crosby has no personality Mike. HBO's 24/7 was a perfect example. They never interviewed him and when they did it was terrible.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Crosby has no personality Mike. HBO's 24/7 was a perfect example. They never interviewed him and when they did it was terrible.

yeah, but he appears humble. which is also refreshing. i dont think he looks at himself the same way lebron does in the NBA, or TO did in the NFL.

i dunno, thats what i think.

Author:	Wozniak [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:25 pm ]
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Crosby never came back. http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/NHL- ... mic-030411 Ive actually been thinking about the general premise of this article for a little while now and it kind of sucks. I'm by no means a Crosby fan, i like him better then Ovi and acknowledge that he is a great player but thats really as far as it goes. but it does interest me none the less about the possibility (even if slim) about Crosby being done, or at least going the way of Savard. **to actually reference the article, i like the "2 minutes for being stupid" idea

Author:	Rutledge222 [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:30 pm ]
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If Crosby never came back it would really hurt the NHL imo. I mean lets face it, he is the poster boy of the NHL right now, right next to Ovi. Take one away and there is no great rivalry between the Pens great and the Caps great, but that is whatever. Course we could weed out those fan boys....

Author:	X-pensfan [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:03 pm ]
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Then all of the self proclaimed "true hardcore fans" will get what they wanted. Which is great, because with Crosby out I don't have too skim through countless pages and threads about him just to find something else I'm looking for. Let me ask you, do you miss him now? I don't. The Pens are boring to watch without Malkin and Crosby in the lineup and most yinzers would agree with that. I'll tune in to see what Kovalev is doing once in awhile but I'd much rather watch the Bolts or Nucks play now. If he comes back the Pens would become more entertaining to watch, but my little world goes on without him. Nobody in Pittsburgh shed any tears when Ulf Samuelsson ended Cam Neely's career, I'll tell you that. Nothing but jokes and excitement, "Ulfie is like Jack Lambert on skates!". And most people I know shrug their shoulders about the hit(s) on Crosby, that's just hockey.

Author:	mechaphil [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:07 pm ]
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I miss Crosby playing. I will tune in to PIT games on VS or NBC to watch him play. I dislike the man intensely but I have nothing but respect for him (save the whole nutbag incident). The game is worse off without him, especially if he in fact never comes back.

Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:14 pm ]
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Hate to see that happen to anybody. I hate Crosby. I really do. But I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

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Author:	AudSabres [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:23 pm ]
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I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that if given the chance to rip Crosby a new one, I'm all over it like the hair on Dubinsky's brow. I cannot, however, deny the fact the guy has the skill and is an exciting presence on the ice. Where the hate comes from is all on the media and no matter where I go in Nova Scotia; any town or city, there is Crosby something in every window and store. Let alone seeing him on the cover of all media sources (interwebs, hockey news etc) But I agree that if in the event his career were to come to an end because of this type of injury, the league would suffer a big drop.

Author:	gr8daygo [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:17 pm ]
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PuckSniperPensel wrote: You know what? I think it's bull shit. Patrick Kane won the cup last year, he's an AMERICAN BORN player, he won a SILVER MEDAL with the US olympic team, and the NHL doesn't market him the way they market Crosby. You know why losing Crosby would be detrimental to the league? Because the league fails to recognize that they have more than one star. You don't see the NBA putting Lebron James or Kobe Bryant all over EVERYTHING. Guys like Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady... they get plenty of exposure, too. I hate basektball and I don't even WATCH the NBA and I know these names. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket, morons. Look what can happen. I gotta agree with this.... there are many other players that the NHL should be marketing more... they do put to much on two players... Kane/Towes .... the Sedin's....Stamkos, there are certainly other players that the NHL should be marketing more of... but they dont... they lean on Sid and Ovi....

Author:	PatGreen [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:32 pm ]
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there are many more elite basketball players than hockey players, because they have 10x the population to draw their future from.

Author:	daz28 [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:45 pm ]
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This won't be popular and I may very well change my feelings on this, but if I never saw him play again, it wouldn't bother me too much. I hate the Penguins and their fans enough that I'd get a cheap thrill out of watching the franchise struggle without him. That may sound horrible to many, but I'm just being honest. Besides, they got Kovalev now, so they're all set anyways.

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:26 pm ]
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I agree, players are putting themselves into these positions and are getting hurt from it. Make players more aware of their surroundings for sure. That's how I got a checking from behind penalty the other day, she turned her back into me, lost her footing a bit, and I gave her a slight push and she slammed into the boards almost face first because she TURNED HER back to someone rushing down the ice with her trying to get the puck in the corner. Crosby wasn't injured that way, but the players need to be more careful of themselves. If Crosby were to never play again that takes out the most talented individual in hockey right now. I don't like the lack of personality he has, but the skill and talent lost would really suck. I think Stamkos, Malkin, and Ovechkin are just as good as Crosby is, Malkin I think is better when he plays and carries a team on his back. Stamkos is probably the best scorer in Hockey now, unless OV comes out flying next year and starts to score everything he touches.

Author:	CriminallyVu1gar [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:14 pm ]
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Would be sad if he were done for his career. But him being gone might not necessarily hurt the league, the same way the Roy injury hasn't hurt the Sabres.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:20 pm ]
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Even though I hate Crosby and love Ovechkin, in no way should this happen to any player. He's a big name in the league, probably the biggest name currently, and it would be awful if his career was ended so soon, not only for hockey fans everywhere, but for my fucking fantasy team.

Author:	X-pensfan [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:57 pm ]
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PuckSniperPensel wrote: You know what? I think it's bull shit. Patrick Kane won the cup last year, he's an AMERICAN BORN player, he won a SILVER MEDAL with the US olympic team, and the NHL doesn't market him the way they market Crosby. You know why losing Crosby would be detrimental to the league? Because the league fails to recognize that they have more than one star. You don't see the NBA putting Lebron James or Kobe Bryant all over EVERYTHING. Guys like Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady... they get plenty of exposure, too. I hate basektball and I don't even WATCH the NBA and I know these names. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket, morons. Look what can happen. I agree with your main point, but you know what's really funny? The only two basketball names you mentioned that I have ever heard of are James and Bryant! LMAO So take it from somebody who has never been able to sit through an entire basketball game in his entire life, the NHL follows the same publicity template as the NBA (and isn't that where Bettman's entire background comes from?). So maybe the NBA and the NHL should both follow your advice and diversify their stars. I think that the more spaghetti you throw at the wall, the better the odds that something will stick. The mass force feeding of Crosby and Ovechkin is nauseating, and that would appear to be a Bettman trademark. The reason why it works in the NBA is because basketball is 100 times more popular than hockey. All you need is a $20 ball to play. That's it. You gotta mortgage your house to raise hockey kids in America, I got a job managing a rink just for the free overnight ice time, shits expensive! So yeah, I would love to see Kane or Toews or Stamkos go on the Conan show, fuck how about 1 NHL player a week on that show?! Then again he would probably run out of things to talk about I guess, you really need a host that loves hockey. Of course, promoting a guy doesn't make him as good as Crosby and Ovechkin, but that's just it. Why does it have to be about marketing only the best? Oh wait, because promoters for shows only want the best for their advertising dollars to come in. Oh well, I don't mind rooting for the least popular major sports league. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:07 pm ]
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PuckSniperPensel wrote: You know what? I think it's bull shit. Patrick Kane won the cup last year, he's an AMERICAN BORN player, he won a SILVER MEDAL with the US olympic team, and the NHL doesn't market him the way they market Crosby. You know why losing Crosby would be detrimental to the league? Because the league fails to recognize that they have more than one star. You don't see the NBA putting Lebron James or Kobe Bryant all over EVERYTHING. Guys like Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady... they get plenty of exposure, too. I hate basektball and I don't even WATCH the NBA and I know these names. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket, morons. Look what can happen. tracy mcgrady is a bench player for one of the worst teams in the NBA. hes not marketed anymore. haha i have no beef with crosby. lately, the NHL has been marketing the flyers (perfect season for NHL on verizon) and ovechkin (ovechtrick on verizon)... and degree is marketing all the NHL starting goalies (the one where miller is ready? thats a league wide campaign) i see crosby on an RBK commercial now and then, but outside that, i dont think crosby is over marketed. in fact, hes probably under marketed. hes talked alot about when an NHL game is being advertised, because, lets face it. those ads are geared towards non-die hards who could tune in cause they know the name. i also think crosby himself knows hes over exposed, hence why hes always turned down EA sports and 2K sports to be a cover athlete. hes actually got a pretty decent attitude now days. i think alot of the anti-crosby sentiment comes from his perception as a baby when he was 18 (which, come on.. if i was 18 in the NHL and was anointed "the chosen one," id probably be a shit too. and i think some of it is simply jealousy hes not on your favourite team. they do talk alot about crosby, but again, i think its to get the casual fan to watch.

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Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:32 am ]
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At any rate, you get my point. If you only market Crosby, the casual sports fan will pass over a San Jose-Vancouver game because they have no idea what good hockey they're in for! Make the whole league seem worth it, and more people will be interested in games.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:35 am ]
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PuckSniperPensel wrote: At any rate, you get my point. If you only market Crosby, the casual sports fan will pass over a San Jose-Vancouver game because they have no idea what good hockey they're in for! Make the whole league seem worth it, and more people will be interested in games. completely agree. but you cant blame them for marketing crosby. either way, san jose/vancouver games ARE awesome.

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:31 pm ]
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Crosby has no personality Mike. HBO's 24/7 was a perfect example. They never interviewed him and when they did it was terrible.

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:46 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Crosby has no personality Mike. HBO's 24/7 was a perfect example. They never interviewed him and when they did it was terrible. yeah, but he appears humble. which is also refreshing. i dont think he looks at himself the same way lebron does in the NBA, or TO did in the NFL. i dunno, thats what i think. I agree with that. To me, he's just bland, while OV and Miller are exciting in their interviews.