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Author:  patkane88 [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:39 pm ]
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http://www.lfpress.com/sports/hockey/20 ... 25271.html


That is 3 now in this offseason
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:40 pm ]
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What the fuck? Why are all the enforcers in the NHL passing away? Sad, condolences to his family.
Author:  patkane88 [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:46 pm ]
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I know I can't assume but his death makes me think of drugs.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:24 pm ]
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patkane88 wrote:
I know I can't assume but his death makes me think of drugs.


I dunno...35, successful NHL player, wife and 2 kids, everyone says he was an awesome guy with a good sense of humor.
A drug problem big enough to kill you is big enough to screw up all of those things along the way.
Author:  patkane88 [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:29 pm ]
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Apparently it wasn't drugs and the Toronto sun say he hung himself

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/31/ex ... found-dead
Author:  Crosscheck [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:46 pm ]
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man...2 suicides in the same summer...WTF
Author:  Montalo [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:17 pm ]
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Memory Eternal!
Author:  Mr. Natural [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:36 pm ]
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Even if drugs are found in his system I would argue that they are part of the symptom, not the cause. Often people with severe depression self-medicate to alleviate the pain of the "black dog," as Winston Churchill referred to the demons of his depression.

Unfortunately, the drugs often make the depression worse.

P.S. I know everyone hates the language police, but people are hanged, meat is hung.
Author:  fly as hale [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:20 pm ]
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Way too many untimely deaths in the NHL this year. So sad.
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:14 am ]
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Why did he kill himself? He had money, a family, he still played hockey... It's weird.
Author:  Mr. Natural [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:39 am ]
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BlueandYellow wrote:
Why did he kill himself? He had money, a family, he still played hockey... It's weird.

Those things have nothing to do with the chemical makeup of a person. Lots of people with depression have lives that to others look idyllic. It isn't a rational thing.
Author:  fly as hale [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:00 am ]
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BlueandYellow wrote:
Why did he kill himself? He had money, a family, he still played hockey... It's weird.

Depression/mental illnesses usually don't care about those things.
Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:44 pm ]
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More and more evidence in my book that fighting is wreaking havoc on too many lives to justify the cult status it has in this sport. Let's not forget Sean Avery pushing a cop either. It seems clear to me that many of the "enforcers" of the league are setting themselves up for a lifetime of anger problems at best, with frequent head trauma providing the spectre of much, much worse possibilities in the areas of depression, substance-abuse, and dementia. We're already seeing a lot this summer. I think it'll just keep happening until, especially if no one addresses the connection between teaching kids in juniors that they can earn a job by being a goon, and that fighting makes you a good teammate, and the effects we're seeing.
Author:  PatGreen [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:51 pm ]
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fighting doesn't lead to suicide
Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:56 pm ]
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PatGreen wrote:
fighting doesn't lead to suicide

At the very least you would agree that there seems to be a connection between frequent head trauma and depression right? Pretty safe to say that depression CAN lead to suicide. Not that it HAS TO obviously, but there's a connection. From there all we have to do is establish whether or not there can be a connection between fighting and brain trauma, and I'd say I'm on sound logical ground.
Author:  PatGreen [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:01 pm ]
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i think it's a loose association that is unfair. i have neither heard of many MMA stars committing suicide nor many of the hockey players from previous generations who fought all the time.

i also think that it's more of a product of the new social atmospheres. grown men didn't commit suicide before, they dealt with their problems, because they accepted the responsibility they took on in life (wife, kids, etc). in the last 20 years people begin to "understand" suicide. sure, there's chemical imbalances...other people have dealt with them before, too.
Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:09 pm ]
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PatGreen wrote:
i think it's a loose association that is unfair. i have neither heard of many MMA stars committing suicide nor many of the hockey players from previous generations who fought all the time.


My go-to example here is Terry Sawchuck. Took thousands of pucks to the head, got concussed, turned into a hard drinker, became depressed and died unhappy and early. That's a total guess on my part of course.

As far as MMA fighters, I don't know, but I don't think there are too many retired MMA fighters old enough to draw good data from yet. But boxers have certainly given us plenty of evidence of the connection between brain trauma caused by fighting (being "punch drunk") and depression.
Author:  ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:11 pm ]
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
PatGreen wrote:
i think it's a loose association that is unfair. i have neither heard of many MMA stars committing suicide nor many of the hockey players from previous generations who fought all the time.


My go-to example here is Terry Sawchuck. Took thousands of pucks to the head, got concussed, turned into a hard drinker, became depressed and died unhappy and early. That's a total guess on my part of course.

As far as MMA fighters, I don't know, but I don't think there are too many retired MMA fighters old enough to draw good data from yet. But boxers have certainly given us plenty of evidence of the connection between brain trauma caused by fighting (being "punch drunk") and depression.


i always heard sawchuck was very unhappy... but he died in a BBQ accident. never did hear EXACTLY what happened. always been curious.
Author:  Mr. Natural [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:19 pm ]
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PatGreen wrote:
...i also think that it's more of a product of the new social atmospheres. grown men didn't commit suicide before, they dealt with their problems, because they accepted the responsibility they took on in life (wife, kids, etc). in the last 20 years people begin to "understand" suicide. sure, there's chemical imbalances...other people have dealt with them before, too.


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You have to be kidding, right? I hate to put a crack in your rose colored glasses, but your fantasy about the good old days when men were men and quietly sucked it up is just that...a fantasy
Author:  PatGreen [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:19 pm ]
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that's not got anything to do with it.
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