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"The notion of a trap goes back decades, probably to the '60s," he said. "The normal, the predictable, the traditional trap of a 1-2-2 is something we've lived with for years and even in the '90s and recently, teams that have won the Cup have done it playing some trapping. It's a tactic. OK, so Tampa, Guy Boucher uses a 1-3-1, a little bit different, and so Philadelphia decided that they were not going to attack the defense, but the defense wasn't going to attack the offense. They did it in Tampa's building, the fans reacted.

"Did I like it? No. Is it the most horrible thing I've ever seen on the ice? No. But I do think it has now added another agenda item to the general managers (meetings) next week. The officials whistled down play when there was no puck movement and it was appropriate. Do we need to eliminate the trap? You know, there are a lot of people who love the game the way it is who say no. If you're playing smart, tactical hockey, that's your prerogative and it's incumbent on the other team to figure out how to deal with it. By the same token, if this became too prevalent and too much of the game and too regular, then I think we'd have to deal with it, and we will."

Author:	hockeyplaya00 [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:17 pm ]
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Seriously this game is freaking hilarious, Tampa is playnig the 1-3-1 system and refuses to get the puck so Pronger, in his first game back, starts up a new Flyer counter attack and decides not to mvoe forward, so they are just staying in their own zone while Tampa refuses to get the pcuk. The Florida fans are booing like nuts, if they want to cheer, blame your own team lol

Author:	NYIntensity [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:57 pm ]
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..pathetic, yet hilarious.

Author:	fly as hale [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:00 pm ]
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I was just coming here to make a thread about it...talk about trolling.

Author:	Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:11 am ]
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Oddly enough, I'm OK with this. It shows how the Flyers can be major dicks, but it also shows that the Lightning are extremely well-disciplined by Boucher.

Author:	AudSabres [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:38 am ]
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Just seen the highlights from this one. Can't believe I'm saying this, but good on Pronger and the Flyers for flipping the bird at the Bolts. Fuck Boucher and his trap.

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Author:	hockeyplaya00 [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:10 pm ]
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Figures Pronger stirs things up on his first game back heh

Author:	Bauter88 [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:22 pm ]
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Just read about this and good for the flyers and pronger. Here is his quote to which is very true, "That’s not hockey in my book, but whatever,” Flyers defenseman Chris Pronger said of Tampa Bay’s defensive plan. “The league’s letting them do it. Would you pay money to watch that? I wouldn’t either. That was a TV game, too. Way to showcase the product.” finally some good out of philly. But in seriousness what a pussy way to play hockey.. I have always hated the trap with a passion its boring, boring, boring...show some balls and play some hockey

Author:	AudSabres [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:37 pm ]
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It was actually Timonen and Coburn that started the standoff, but I liked Pronger's post game comments about how the fans don't pay money to see that kind of garbage. More comments tweeted from Joffrey Lupul, "This games on National TV... Way to sell it boys!" Sure, this style of play has won Cup's in the past and there are no rules stating that it is an illegal formation. It's completely within the rules of the game to play their players in whichever way a coach likes. I just hate this style of play because it is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. I also don't think this is the last time you'll see a team react to the Lightning's trapping style in this manner. The Flyers started it, I think other teams will follow suit. If this kind of crap continues, we'll see the team initiating the standoff being issued a delay of game call, giving the Bolts exactly what they want. Again, fuck the trap.

Author:	sabresrocker56 [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:39 pm ]
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Pronger has always been a dick on the ice and in the locker room. Saying that, I am so happy he did this. First of all, it's flat out funny. But, more importantly, it's a great protest to the Lighting trying to slow hockey down again. Don't be the Devils, man up, and just play hockey. I understand a "trap" or "turtle" mentality when your up by 1 with a minute left. However, just using it to start a game the way Tampa does, is stupid. Forecheck, take some chances. You're making the game about as exciting as a spring training baseball game. So good on Pronger and Philly for actually taking a stand. The Bolts want to make impossible to get through the neutral zone, and they've done just that. The Flyers will simply exploring their options to break out, I think.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:43 pm ]
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pronger is one of my fav players. flame away, boys!

Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:47 pm ]
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Here's the video for all those who missed it.

Author:	hockeyplaya00 [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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I try not to like Pronger but his smugness and attitude is just too likable for me

Author:	sabresindc [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:47 pm ]
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I guess the officials really didn't know how to handle the situation either. I guess the interpretation from Toronto was that they had to "move" the puck. So they just passed it around their own end. Betman's take... Quote: "The notion of a trap goes back decades, probably to the '60s," he said. "The normal, the predictable, the traditional trap of a 1-2-2 is something we've lived with for years and even in the '90s and recently, teams that have won the Cup have done it playing some trapping. It's a tactic. OK, so Tampa, Guy Boucher uses a 1-3-1, a little bit different, and so Philadelphia decided that they were not going to attack the defense, but the defense wasn't going to attack the offense. They did it in Tampa's building, the fans reacted. "Did I like it? No. Is it the most horrible thing I've ever seen on the ice? No. But I do think it has now added another agenda item to the general managers (meetings) next week. The officials whistled down play when there was no puck movement and it was appropriate. Do we need to eliminate the trap? You know, there are a lot of people who love the game the way it is who say no. If you're playing smart, tactical hockey, that's your prerogative and it's incumbent on the other team to figure out how to deal with it. By the same token, if this became too prevalent and too much of the game and too regular, then I think we'd have to deal with it, and we will."

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:09 pm ]
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=600281 This shows it perfectly. What a shame that is indeed.

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Author:	AudSabres [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:52 pm ]
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What they could try, would be to counter the 1-3-1 with a 2-1-2. Get between the blue & red lines and loft the puck in the air into the attacking zone. That way, you have 2 guys ready to pounce into the zone to gain possession and set up. Although you risk an icing call, it's likely your best bet in terms of countering the 1-3-1 trap. Or try to skate it as far as you can and dump to the 2nd half of the 2-1-2 at the opposing blue line. Then play the dump and chase. I dunno, just my 2 cents.

Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:51 pm ]
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What about waiving off icing if a team isn't being attacked? Think about it; icing is designed to punish a team for just getting rid of the puck when they come under pressure, and reward the pressuring team for forecheck. But if the team that sends the puck down the ice isn't being pressured, then they're clearly not just ditching the puck. It'd allow teams to begin their dump and chase method much easier, which would undermine the 1-3-1, yet still allow teams to play it if they so choose.

Author:	SabresBillsFan [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:33 pm ]
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AudSabres wrote: Just seen the highlights from this one. Can't believe I'm saying this, but good on Pronger and the Flyers for flipping the bird at the Bolts. Fuck Boucher and his trap. I agree I can't stand this guy and his fucking trap he's got installed for Tampa it's so fucking boring to watch. Wasn't the NHL trying to find ways to increase scoring that way the game is better for the fans.