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Author:  sabresindc [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Ovie dirty?????
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Neil-takes-Ovechkin-stick-to-midsection-?urn=nhl-wp19284

Neil hits Ovie hard into the corner boards and as they start skating away Ovie skates near Neil and his stick blade comes up and "appears" to hit Neil in the abdomen/gonads area. Neil hits the ice and gets called for diving. Ovie gets nothing..... Was it just do to Ovie's stride or did he do it purposely? You decide....

I didn't know diving can be called without a companion penalty to the "offending" player.
Author:  union jack [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:55 am ]
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To me that looks like one of those plays where Ovechkin should get penalized for spearing AND Neil called for diving. Ovie definitely speared him, but it didn't look all that hard and Neil had a bit of an overreaction to draw the refs notice. IMO, of course.
Author:  YankeeInRaleigh [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:28 am ]
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union jack wrote:
To me that looks like one of those plays where Ovechkin should get penalized for spearing AND Neil called for diving. Ovie definitely speared him, but it didn't look all that hard and Neil had a bit of an overreaction to draw the refs notice. IMO, of course.


Agreed. Ovi is too good a player to not know what he was doing with his stick. He meant to hit Neil. Not that I blame him...
Author:  hockeyplaya00 [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:37 am ]
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If Neil wasnt busy diving he would have been busy trying to clock Ovie. In this instance Id agree with a both spearing and diving scenario
Author:  sabresindc [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:39 am ]
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
union jack wrote:
To me that looks like one of those plays where Ovechkin should get penalized for spearing AND Neil called for diving. Ovie definitely speared him, but it didn't look all that hard and Neil had a bit of an overreaction to draw the refs notice. IMO, of course.


Agreed. Ovi is too good a player to not know what he was doing with his stick. He meant to hit Neil. Not that I blame him...

:lol: So true. It was a dirty play but this is the first time (that I remember) a diving call didn't accompany the offense that caused the dive.
Author:  Rud [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:44 pm ]
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That's how I think diving should almost always be called. If a penalty was enough to warrant being called, then call just the trip or the hook, unless the embellishment was excessive. If you're calling a dive, then the the penalty probably wasn't enough to warrant a call.
Author:  YankeeInRaleigh [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:21 pm ]
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Rud wrote:
That's how I think diving should almost always be called. If a penalty was enough to warrant being called, then call just the trip or the hook, unless the embellishment was excessive. If you're calling a dive, then the the penalty probably wasn't enough to warrant a call.



Totally. It makes ZERO sense to me when they call both a diving penalty, AND the penalty which 'caused' the diving. IF he was tripped, call tripping. If the guy dove, call diving. They're pretty much mutually exclusive.
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:23 pm ]
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Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.
Author:  Montalo [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:48 pm ]
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BlueandYellow wrote:
Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.

matt cooke dirty?

sure, if you define dirty as having 10 PIMs in 29 games dirty
Author:  Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:42 am ]
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Montalo wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.

matt cooke dirty?

sure, if you define dirty as having 10 PIMs in 29 games dirty

Dirty doesn't mean they get penalized. You can be dirty behind the plays.
Author:  patkane88 [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:48 am ]
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OV is dirty no mater if Neil deserved that or not.
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:21 am ]
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Montalo wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.

matt cooke dirty?

sure, if you define dirty as having 10 PIMs in 29 games dirty


Listen, I can find so many youtube videos proving my point. I wouldn't defend Matt Cooke. Ever.
Author:  fan4life61 [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:21 am ]
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Montalo wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.

matt cooke dirty?

sure, if you define dirty as having 10 PIMs in 29 games dirty


if you dont think matt cooke is a dirty player, i seriously am thinking about questioning your hockey knowledge...
Author:  sabresindc [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:32 am ]
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Montalo wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.

matt cooke dirty?

sure, if you define dirty as having 10 PIMs in 29 games dirty

This season is an abnormality for Cooke. He's been playing crazy good hockey and has calmed down on the shit. In years past he's been one of the dirtiest players in the league. Remember he single handedly ended Marc Savards career.....
Author:  Montalo [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:46 pm ]
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sabresindc wrote:
Montalo wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Ovie isn't Matt Cooke dirty, and I don't believe he has that mindset, I just think he can be... Sort of an aggressive guy who goes overboard. Let's also realize this is Neil. He deserves it.

matt cooke dirty?

sure, if you define dirty as having 10 PIMs in 29 games dirty

This season is an abnormality for Cooke. He's been playing crazy good hockey and has calmed down on the shit. In years past he's been one of the dirtiest players in the league. Remember he single handedly ended Marc Savards career.....


i know that, but i have faith that matt cooke has changed, as shown by this season. He will most likely prove me wrong but, until he does, im going to believe that he is a changed man.
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:09 am ]
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He said he was a changed man about... 3 hits ago.
Author:  Howie Hodge [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:47 am ]
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A lot can happen away from the play. Let us not forget Danny Briere spearing Ovie in the groin a few years back before he was allowed to walk out of here without a contract offer.

Do we consider Danny Briere a dirty player?

If that didn't illustrate Darcy's acumen as an NHL "GM"; I don't know what does. :doh:
Author:  ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:39 am ]
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HOWIE! please stay!
Author:  Los9090 [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:20 pm ]
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Howie Hodge wrote:
A lot can happen away from the play. Let us not forget Danny Briere spearing Ovie in the groin a few years back before he was allowed to walk out of here without a contract offer.

Do we consider Danny Briere a dirty player?

If that didn't illustrate Darcy's acumen as an NHL "GM"; I don't know what does. :doh:

I turned a blind eye to a lot of Briere's play when he was with us.
Author:  hockeyplaya00 [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:05 pm ]
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Briere is a bit of a dirty player though, sure he doesnt end careers like some guys but hes far from a saint
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