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YankeeInRaleigh
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:57 pm 
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Christ, what a pathetic response dude. You're basically saying "I dont want to actually reply to what you said, so i'll take your stance to an absurd degree and pretend I agree with it to try and make you look foolish and heartless", when we both know you're capable of actually dissecting an argument and replying with some degree of intelligence. If i'd have known you'd resort to just wasting my time with childish bullshit, Adam, I'd not have bothered responding to you.


I became frustrated by your lack of sympathy, and took a short cut.

Look, my point is, outside of suicide related deaths, natural human instinct is to avoid death at all costs. We all want to live to see tomorrow; to enjoy life to the fullest. Every species on earth is programmed to think that way.

Because of this, nearly all deaths, no matter how idiotic, deserve some degree of sympathy, because someone's time on this earth is being taken away from them against their will.

As a human being who enjoys existence on this planet, I feel sympathy for someone who lost his life on a vacation with a bunch of friends.

Forget arguing about whether or not it was an idiotic way to go, because that part doesn't matter. When someone unwillingly leaves this earth, there is always a degree of sadness involved.


Haha, I KNEW You had a real answer in ya.

So, I understand what you're saying here. (or at least I think I do) There is a part of me that wants so badly to embrace some sort of collective consciousness, some...thin strand of energy which connects all living things. God fuck crackers i'd like to actually feel that. 99% of the time I do not.

On another completely related note, i'm a scientist, I believe in ecology, population control, sustainable crop production, and trying hard to live in balance with the world around me. And...I guess it's that part of me which decides, this, or maybe i'm really just some heartless, sociopathic assface, because I really just dont care about that guy. I do not feel the sadness you do, even the sympathetic 'a life was needlessly lost' feeling. And, i'm thinking thats where we just leave that part of the discussion, there really isnt anywhere to go from there I suppose.


I have to address something you said:

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Look, my point is, outside of suicide related deaths, natural human instinct is to avoid death at all costs. We all want to live to see tomorrow; to enjoy life to the fullest. Every species on earth is programmed to think that way.


EXACTLY! We completely agree on this point, except when I hear about this, I think to myself "what was wrong with this person that he did not follow the most BASIC PROGRAMMING his brain possessed?" and then "Well, the selection pressure of evolution, masquerading as gravity this time, claims another unfit organism."


I care for those around me. I care for those who are minding their own business and have some terrible action perpetrated upon them. I do care for people...I just dont tolerate fools, is there a bigger fool than someone willing to throw their life away because they got carried away after a few beers?

sigh, after a re-read this does sound remarkably callous, but to say anything else would just be catering to common sentiment, and that isnt how I feel, so...I'm guessing this is an agree to disagree situation.

(Tyler ennis JUST scored as I was typing this. Boosh bitches!!!!!!!)


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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Look, my point is, outside of suicide related deaths, natural human instinct is to avoid death at all costs. We all want to live to see tomorrow; to enjoy life to the fullest. Every species on earth is programmed to think that way.



ive said this many many times. the first part. ill go further. thats why i dont believe suicide is all "selfish" because if someone is in that much pain and suffering, it would be selfish to assume the person live on because we knew them. for our own gain. know what i mean?

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If someone is seriously considering suicide, he considers it a favor to his family and to all others who know him to take his life because he is only, in his mind, making theirs worse by continuing to live... I've never understood why people call suicide a selfish thing. By normal standards, OK, but when you're in that state of mind, nothing is real.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I deal with enough true victims, so I don't have much sympathy for someone that brings about their own demise, especially while acting out as a drunken asshole in his dying moment.

I'm sure his parents feel terrible, but why the hell did they let their 17 yr old go down to Florida for a shit-faced party time? As far as thinking he deserved to die - no, but to steal a quote, "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."



This is my response when I read what 1980 said. It's at 13:19.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:51 am 
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
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Christ, what a pathetic response dude. You're basically saying "I dont want to actually reply to what you said, so i'll take your stance to an absurd degree and pretend I agree with it to try and make you look foolish and heartless", when we both know you're capable of actually dissecting an argument and replying with some degree of intelligence. If i'd have known you'd resort to just wasting my time with childish bullshit, Adam, I'd not have bothered responding to you.


I became frustrated by your lack of sympathy, and took a short cut.

Look, my point is, outside of suicide related deaths, natural human instinct is to avoid death at all costs. We all want to live to see tomorrow; to enjoy life to the fullest. Every species on earth is programmed to think that way.

Because of this, nearly all deaths, no matter how idiotic, deserve some degree of sympathy, because someone's time on this earth is being taken away from them against their will.

As a human being who enjoys existence on this planet, I feel sympathy for someone who lost his life on a vacation with a bunch of friends.

Forget arguing about whether or not it was an idiotic way to go, because that part doesn't matter. When someone unwillingly leaves this earth, there is always a degree of sadness involved.


Haha, I KNEW You had a real answer in ya.

So, I understand what you're saying here. (or at least I think I do) There is a part of me that wants so badly to embrace some sort of collective consciousness, some...thin strand of energy which connects all living things. God fuck crackers i'd like to actually feel that. 99% of the time I do not.

On another completely related note, i'm a scientist, I believe in ecology, population control, sustainable crop production, and trying hard to live in balance with the world around me. And...I guess it's that part of me which decides, this, or maybe i'm really just some heartless, sociopathic assface, because I really just dont care about that guy. I do not feel the sadness you do, even the sympathetic 'a life was needlessly lost' feeling. And, i'm thinking thats where we just leave that part of the discussion, there really isnt anywhere to go from there I suppose.


I have to address something you said:

Quote:
Look, my point is, outside of suicide related deaths, natural human instinct is to avoid death at all costs. We all want to live to see tomorrow; to enjoy life to the fullest. Every species on earth is programmed to think that way.


EXACTLY! We completely agree on this point, except when I hear about this, I think to myself "what was wrong with this person that he did not follow the most BASIC PROGRAMMING his brain possessed?" and then "Well, the selection pressure of evolution, masquerading as gravity this time, claims another unfit organism."


I care for those around me. I care for those who are minding their own business and have some terrible action perpetrated upon them. I do care for people...I just dont tolerate fools, is there a bigger fool than someone willing to throw their life away because they got carried away after a few beers?

sigh, after a re-read this does sound remarkably callous, but to say anything else would just be catering to common sentiment, and that isnt how I feel, so...I'm guessing this is an agree to disagree situation.

(Tyler ennis JUST scored as I was typing this. Boosh bitches!!!!!!!)


Haha yeah sorry about that.

I understand where you're coming from, but this happened because he personally felt as though he wasn't in danger because his judgement and perception were obviously thrown by alcohol. Think about it... He was only 17. His tolerance is probably crap and he's still learning how to handle himself.

Personally, I blame his parents. How can you send your 17 year kid son off to florida to get hammered with his buddies without supervision?

Imagine the thoughts going through that poor kids head as he fell... :|

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The trip was chaperoned. There was supervision there, just not good enough obviously.


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PuckSniperPensel wrote:

Haha yeah sorry about that.

I understand where you're coming from, but this happened because he personally felt as though he wasn't in danger because his judgement and perception were obviously thrown by alcohol. Think about it... He was only 17. His tolerance is probably crap and he's still learning how to handle himself.

Personally, I blame his parents. How can you send your 17 year kid son off to florida to get hammered with his buddies without supervision?

Imagine the thoughts going through that poor kids head as he fell... :|


These ARE excellent points you make. Especially the last line, which is the closest i'm coming to feeling sympathy for this guy. I mean...that has to be the scariest 3 seconds of your life, falling falling falling...I cannot imagine how scary that must be.

And that is a good point about his age and tolerance level. It doesnt negate personal responsibility, but it does go a long way towards explaining what happened.


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Forget "Darwinism"; this was just life. People die in shitty situations all the time - Darwinism would have been if this kid was an alcoholic. The only thing that makes this kid different was his athletic ability. Brains or brawn will save this race, and we haven't the brawn to match up with ANY of natures predators...

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this is clearly the luck of the irish.

too soon?

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This is perfect candidacy for the Darwin Awards.

I feel bad this kid died so young and didn't get to experience life and I'm not saying he deserved it, but he was acting incredibly foolish.


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