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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:57 am 
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I think people can see the irony in Kathy Griffin's joke, but I think people just don't care because it was said by Kathy Griffin. Comedians make a living making off-color and sometimes hypocritical jokes. This isn't any different. This isn't the first time someone is going to make a cheap joke at the expense of the Palin's, and it isn't going to be the last. When you crave the limelight, this is the kind of backlash you're going to get. I don't see why so many people are up in arms over this. Chick gained weight on a dance competition show (now there's some irony for you), and people are commenting/making jokes about it. This happens all the time in our entertainment industry.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
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With those google stats I would take news volume as a good indication of how many "normal" people know of one over the other.


Yeah I wasn't disagreeing, I just threw it up there for everyone.

To go back to the original post, I don't think Kathy Griffin (or any comedienne) has any responsibility to be any kind of role model for young women.


Not a role model, but to stop perpetuating the idea that anyone not a Vic's Secret model or Calvin Klein heroin junkie is fat. I suppose that subject is debatable though only due to the number of celebs who make thoughtless remarks on the subject. What isn't debatable is that Griffin has been sliced and diced a number of times with obviously mixed results to look thin and (still) fugly. Not only is that hypocritical based on her efforts under the knife, but hypocritical having seen the lack of return on her investment.

Do you not see the sad irony in that?



I don't have a problem with it at all because I don't hold her to being that type of role model. If it was someone who actually has an influence over young women, like Miley Cyrus, then fine. But Kathy Griffin caters to adults, people who are mature enough to know better than starving or puking themselves to oblivion. If you want to rip on someone, rip on Rachel Weisz, who has a plethora of quotes about how wrong it is for Hollywood to perpetuate the stereotype that not being skinny makes someone unattractive...

"Los Angeles makes you feel ugly. I`m not going to pretend I haven`t secretly wanted to be super-skinny, because all girls do.But I have a woman`s body, not a boy`s body. Most women do and should feel proud of their butts and their breasts and their bell..."

But who lost about 20 pounds to play Evy in The Mummy Returns? Nice one Rachel...

I don't think the fact that Griffin has undergone plastic surgery makes her a hypocrite. That's not the definition of hypocricy. She wasn't making fun of Palin for being 30% plastic (THAT would be hypocrisy), she was making fun of Palin for being overweight, something that she is not. It's not really ironic either. It would be ironic if Griffin herself ballooned over the next couple of weeks, or if it was found that Palin actually lost weight over the course of the show. It would have also been ironic if the crowd had cheered since Griffin was pretty obviously expecting boos.

This is what I see:
She made a joke she knew wouldn't go over well with her audience for shock value. The comment was pretty accurate (having seen snippets of Palin on DWTS), and Bristol Palin and her "fans" didn't like it. End of story. Next week on "Holy Shit, Comics do Risque things!" Lisa Lampanelli calls a black guy a nigger to his face and makes him laugh.

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How is calling Palin fat any different than calling Griffin a whore, or ridiculing her plasitc surgeries, one of which was medically necessary to repair a botched LASIK eye surgery? That seems kind of sad to me.

Isn't it laudable that Griffin has been perfectly open about her numerous plastic surgeries? Isn't it worse for half of these hollywood stars to perpetuate the thought that their unrealistic bodies can be achieved naturally?

I don't understand why this is a big deal at all.

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She made a joke that would not have even been reported anywhere had it not involved a Palin.


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She made a joke that would not have even been reported anywhere had it not involved a Palin.



Poor Bristol and her unfair teen pregnancy that was completely the fault of her and her mother's wacko ideals regarding sex and sex education.

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Maybe she's knocked up again which would explain her weight gain.

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fly as hale wrote:
Maybe she's knocked up again which would explain her weight gain.

ZOMG COULD YOU IMAGINE?!!?!?!?!

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
How is calling Palin fat any different than calling Griffin a whore, or ridiculing her plasitc surgeries, one of which was medically necessary to repair a botched LASIK eye surgery? That seems kind of sad to me.

Isn't it laudable that Griffin has been perfectly open about her numerous plastic surgeries? Isn't it worse for half of these hollywood stars to perpetuate the thought that their unrealistic bodies can be achieved naturally?

I don't understand why this is a big deal at all.


It's not that big a deal, and I certainly don't care to defend a Palin. I don't care who it is though, the waves of Hollywood attacks on late night shows, stand-up routines, etc. to whichever target is selected by mainstream media gets old real fast to me. It's annoying and low blow type of stuff that shows no consideration at all for the person involved. We think that school bullying is such a big deal, and we almost universally deplore a bully and the psycho/social effects they have. What Hollywood does amounts to adult bullying. Should we think that adults (which Bristol is not) aren't as fragile? Probably so but how in the world does that justify the treatment?

Griffin puts herself into a rightful place to be criticized by having her history and then sounding like a stuck-up hallway bitch because they gained weight. If this was some small crowd show like Lampanelli then fine. I know all kinds of raunchy, racist stuff is said in those shows and the crowd knows ahead of time what type of material they're getting. The USO program was not the time, place, or crowd for that mess. Griffin knew it but she doesn't care because the mainstream has picked the Palin's as their fodder and she knows she's irrelevant enough to need the shock value.


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fly as hale wrote:
Maybe she's knocked up again which would explain her weight gain.


Haha...I just did an abstinence only based speech about El Paso county's public school system and brought her up. It was to show how even proponents of absitinence only education have been bitten by the realities that teens like to fuck. :lol:

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
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How is calling Palin fat any different than calling Griffin a whore, or ridiculing her plasitc surgeries, one of which was medically necessary to repair a botched LASIK eye surgery? That seems kind of sad to me.

Isn't it laudable that Griffin has been perfectly open about her numerous plastic surgeries? Isn't it worse for half of these hollywood stars to perpetuate the thought that their unrealistic bodies can be achieved naturally?

I don't understand why this is a big deal at all.


It's not that big a deal, and I certainly don't care to defend a Palin. I don't care who it is though, the waves of Hollywood attacks on late night shows, stand-up routines, etc. to whichever target is selected by mainstream media gets old real fast to me. It's annoying and low blow type of stuff that shows no consideration at all for the person involved. We think that school bullying is such a big deal, and we almost universally deplore a bully and the psycho/social effects they have. What Hollywood does amounts to adult bullying. Should we think that adults (which Bristol is not) aren't as fragile? Probably so but how in the world does that justify the treatment?

Griffin puts herself into a rightful place to be criticized by having her history and then sounding like a stuck-up hallway bitch because they gained weight. If this was some small crowd show like Lampanelli then fine. I know all kinds of raunchy, racist stuff is said in those shows and the crowd knows ahead of time what type of material they're getting. The USO program was not the time, place, or crowd for that mess. Griffin knew it but she doesn't care because the mainstream has picked the Palin's as their fodder and she knows she's irrelevant enough to need the shock value.


Bristol Palin is too an adult, she's 20 goddamn years old.

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I don't care how old you are. When you charge up to $30,000 in speaking fees to show up and talk to people, you're a fucking adult.


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people pay for her to speak???? what the FUCK?

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I dunno, there's just something about Bristol Palin that appeals to me...arguably the only single mom I'd be willing to date. I think it has something to do with that 15-50M dollars she stands to inherit when her mom and dad finally kick the bucket.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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How is calling Palin fat any different than calling Griffin a whore, or ridiculing her plasitc surgeries, one of which was medically necessary to repair a botched LASIK eye surgery? That seems kind of sad to me.

Isn't it laudable that Griffin has been perfectly open about her numerous plastic surgeries? Isn't it worse for half of these hollywood stars to perpetuate the thought that their unrealistic bodies can be achieved naturally?

I don't understand why this is a big deal at all.


It's not that big a deal, and I certainly don't care to defend a Palin. I don't care who it is though, the waves of Hollywood attacks on late night shows, stand-up routines, etc. to whichever target is selected by mainstream media gets old real fast to me. It's annoying and low blow type of stuff that shows no consideration at all for the person involved. We think that school bullying is such a big deal, and we almost universally deplore a bully and the psycho/social effects they have. What Hollywood does amounts to adult bullying. Should we think that adults (which Bristol is not) aren't as fragile? Probably so but how in the world does that justify the treatment?

Griffin puts herself into a rightful place to be criticized by having her history and then sounding like a stuck-up hallway bitch because they gained weight. If this was some small crowd show like Lampanelli then fine. I know all kinds of raunchy, racist stuff is said in those shows and the crowd knows ahead of time what type of material they're getting. The USO program was not the time, place, or crowd for that mess. Griffin knew it but she doesn't care because the mainstream has picked the Palin's as their fodder and she knows she's irrelevant enough to need the shock value.


Bristol Palin is too an adult, she's 20 goddamn years old.


Ok fine, I should be more specific....she's not a mature, experienced person that should be able to handle that kind of non-stop criticism. She's probably not on the mature side for her age either, but is any 20 year old supposed to handle that heat like a 30 year old that's been around the block once? It's just blood in the water mentality by media hacks wanting to be part of the school of piranhas. Regardless of the target it's wrong, and in this case Griffin stooped a little lower.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
How is calling Palin fat any different than calling Griffin a whore, or ridiculing her plasitc surgeries, one of which was medically necessary to repair a botched LASIK eye surgery? That seems kind of sad to me.

Isn't it laudable that Griffin has been perfectly open about her numerous plastic surgeries? Isn't it worse for half of these hollywood stars to perpetuate the thought that their unrealistic bodies can be achieved naturally?

I don't understand why this is a big deal at all.


It's not that big a deal, and I certainly don't care to defend a Palin. I don't care who it is though, the waves of Hollywood attacks on late night shows, stand-up routines, etc. to whichever target is selected by mainstream media gets old real fast to me. It's annoying and low blow type of stuff that shows no consideration at all for the person involved. We think that school bullying is such a big deal, and we almost universally deplore a bully and the psycho/social effects they have. What Hollywood does amounts to adult bullying. Should we think that adults (which Bristol is not) aren't as fragile? Probably so but how in the world does that justify the treatment?

Griffin puts herself into a rightful place to be criticized by having her history and then sounding like a stuck-up hallway bitch because they gained weight. If this was some small crowd show like Lampanelli then fine. I know all kinds of raunchy, racist stuff is said in those shows and the crowd knows ahead of time what type of material they're getting. The USO program was not the time, place, or crowd for that mess. Griffin knew it but she doesn't care because the mainstream has picked the Palin's as their fodder and she knows she's irrelevant enough to need the shock value.


Bristol Palin is too an adult, she's 20 goddamn years old.


Ok fine, I should be more specific....she's not a mature, experienced person that should be able to handle that kind of non-stop criticism. She's probably not on the mature side for her age either, but is any 20 year old supposed to handle that heat like a 30 year old that's been around the block once? It's just blood in the water mentality by media hacks wanting to be part of the school of piranhas. Regardless of the target it's wrong, and in this case Griffin stooped a little lower.


Well to be fair a lot of the criticism points out the incompatibility of her wackjob beliefs about sex and sex education and the fact that she got knocked up as a teenager. She SHOULD have been old enough to sidestep that quagmire, but seeing who was responsible for giving her knowledge about sex (or lack thereof), maybe not.

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