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Seems this may already have been posted, not sure tho.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valley ... gabrie.php

WTF has our world/religions come to??


Why couldn't have this douche gone after those people? Kills 2 birds with one stone in my book.

WBC is another one of those groups, they remind me of internet trolls, knowing they can't have anything done to them, so they take it beyond. You want to protest fine, but you are personally attacking people, but only personally attacking the dead, so you avoid a slander charge...it's fucking chickenshit cowardly acts like this that really fry my eggs...

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Arizona lawmakers and governor coming together to pass a law banning protesters at funerals by the end of the day

http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-re ... 002e0.html

I guess as a nation we have a bipartisan hatred of Fred Phelps ;)


Good. I wonder if there's any way that could be deemed unconstitutional though because of our freedom of assembly.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
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Arizona lawmakers and governor coming together to pass a law banning protesters at funerals by the end of the day

http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-re ... 002e0.html

I guess as a nation we have a bipartisan hatred of Fred Phelps ;)


Good. I wonder if there's any way that could be deemed unconstitutional though because of our freedom of assembly.


Naa....restricting where and when they can protest is not denying their right to protest.
We already have lots of restrictions on protesters, permit requirements etc.

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Crosscheck wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Arizona lawmakers and governor coming together to pass a law banning protesters at funerals by the end of the day

http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-re ... 002e0.html

I guess as a nation we have a bipartisan hatred of Fred Phelps ;)


Good. I wonder if there's any way that could be deemed unconstitutional though because of our freedom of assembly.


Naa....restricting where and when they can protest is not denying their right to protest.
We already have lots of restrictions on protesters, permit requirements etc.

That's beautiful. How long until this bill makes its way across the country?

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I'll be very aggravated if that bill gets passed on the spot. It should've been passed a long time ago, but these selfish politicians don't give a damn until it becomes personal for them. I guess all those soldiers and their families didn't deserve the same consideration...argh.


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When I was in Honor Guard we had protesters show up to an active duty funeral. What I wouldn't have done to have some real bullets in my M-1 instead of blanks.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'll be very aggravated if that bill gets passed on the spot. It should've been passed a long time ago, but these selfish politicians don't give a damn until it becomes personal for them. I guess all those soldiers and their families didn't deserve the same consideration...argh.


Totally agree.


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Seems my initial reaction was correct.
The attack wasn't political (because that didn't add up), it was personal.

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On CBS' "Early Show" Tuesday, Tierney recalled Loughner's obsession with Giffords goes back to a 2007 event where Loughner posed a question which he didn't feel she answered, and became angry. Tierney said Loughner asked Giffords: "What is government if words have no meaning?"

"I was like, 'Wow, Jared, I can't believe they actually asked your question, because that's sort of ridiculous!'" Tierney said. "He seemed to dwell on the fact that she wouldn't answer his question. I think that was just like the start of it."

When asked if Loughner was the kind of person who wanted attention, Tierney said, "Attention? I would say more just the reaction, more of trolling for a reaction, and the eye of the public, and the eyes of the media, and stuff like that."

Tierney said his friend wasn't political, but he was increasingly frustrated with government.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Seems my initial reaction was correct.
The attack wasn't political (because that didn't add up), it was personal.

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On CBS' "Early Show" Tuesday, Tierney recalled Loughner's obsession with Giffords goes back to a 2007 event where Loughner posed a question which he didn't feel she answered, and became angry. Tierney said Loughner asked Giffords: "What is government if words have no meaning?"

"I was like, 'Wow, Jared, I can't believe they actually asked your question, because that's sort of ridiculous!'" Tierney said. "He seemed to dwell on the fact that she wouldn't answer his question. I think that was just like the start of it."

When asked if Loughner was the kind of person who wanted attention, Tierney said, "Attention? I would say more just the reaction, more of trolling for a reaction, and the eye of the public, and the eyes of the media, and stuff like that."

Tierney said his friend wasn't political, but he was increasingly frustrated with government.


than why is the Sharif in the case on every nightly news show blaming the rhetoric of the right... shouldn't he be a symbol of the law and really be giving his opinions on an open investigation... and making those opinions with no facts behind him?

no offense to the Sharif but he needs to shut up and do his job....

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than why is the Sharif in the case on every nightly news show blaming the rhetoric of the right... shouldn't he be a symbol of the law and really be giving his opinions on an open investigation... and making those opinions with no facts behind him?

no offense to the Sharif but he needs to shut up and do his job....

Because every asshole with an opinion is trying to score political points.

I just love all the people that immediately came out trying to blame Palin for this guy....mostly the same people that urged not to jump to conclusions in the Ft. Hood shooting case when his motivations were immediately obvious.

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Crosscheck wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
than why is the Sharif in the case on every nightly news show blaming the rhetoric of the right... shouldn't he be a symbol of the law and really be giving his opinions on an open investigation... and making those opinions with no facts behind him?

no offense to the Sharif but he needs to shut up and do his job....

Because every asshole with an opinion is trying to score political points.

I just love all the people that immediately came out trying to blame Palin for this guy....mostly the same people that urged not to jump to conclusions in the Ft. Hood shooting case when his motivations were immediately obvious.



but shouldn't the Sharif in an open investigation be above spewing the same type of inflammatory rhetoric that he is blaming the right for? he certainly is not helping the political discord in this instance... just throwing gas on the fire... please just say "no comment on an open investigation"... im sick of everything getting politicalized before the facts are known and here we have the investigating Sharif doing it... its sad...

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Arizona has a rich ongoing history with Shariffs that can't keep their mouths shut.

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Not sure if this has been posted...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-shootin ... 807&page=1
Long story short, a woman with her facebook page managed to rally over 200 volunteers to counter-protest the asshole westboro protesters. I love this story.

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To be fair, the sheriff did make a good point about the ability of a law institution to stop or deter this type of crime. Some fucknuts are asking how a mentally-ill man could obtain a gun??? Apparently these fucknuts don't understand the proliferation of firearms in this country. If anyone thinks a background check would make it too hard for him to get a weapon(in turn foiling the plot), then they are sadly mistaken. As for "the investigation", wtf does anyone expect from that??? This is a simple case of pick up the pieces and move on. Law enforcement CAN'T prevent this, and is not needed afterward, because it's already too late.

As for the always fun mix of guns and politics, here's an interview with a tea-party leader on bringing GUNS TO THEIR RALLIES(THAT'S RIGHT GUNS TO THEIR RALLIES). Also, what is a '2nd Amendment remedy'? Does anyone know, because It sounds like it's inciting something(not saying in this example, but in general):

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011 ... -rally.php

Edit: Is it possible for a person to be increasingly frustrated by government and be at events asking candidates questions, and not be 'political'?? I don't think so.


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As for the always fun mix of guns and politics, here's an interview with a tea-party leader on bringing GUNS TO THEIR RALLIES(THAT'S RIGHT GUNS TO THEIR RALLIES). Also, what is a '2nd Amendment remedy'? Does anyone know, because It sounds like it's inciting something(not saying in this example, but in general):

ZOMG those evil right wingers!!!!
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Always inciting violence on politicians...those damn rascals.
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Edit: Is it possible for a person to be increasingly frustrated by government and be at events asking candidates questions, and not be 'political'?? I don't think so.

Yes, he's fucking crazy.

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Ok, so the LEADERS(and Congressperson) of political parties making a statement on tv is equivalent to some random guys t-shirt????????? Don't think so. If you want to debate legitimately, then try to make an equal rebuttal, not just random crap.


Also, this guy has been crazy for a while, but has just now become violent. Is it just a coincidence that he killed a house rep? Doubt it. Not end of story. There IS something to be said(and discussed) about our current political culture.


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Tierney recalled Loughner's obsession with Giffords goes back to a 2007 event where Loughner posed a question which he didn't feel she answered, and became angry. Tierney said Loughner asked Giffords: "What is government if words have no meaning?"


Does that sound like he's taking a fucking political position?

Every one of his friends that's been interview has either said he wasn't political or that he leaned left.
Yet folks like you are trying to say talking heads on the right made him do this?

Do you think he sat around listening to Rush and Hannity?
really?

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Yet folks like you

Folks like me huh. That's cute, You're obviously the man! Tell me swami, what do I want for dinner tonight? Obviously you're the smarter person, and you know what I think, too. Sorry I called you out on your lame ass t-shirt post. Obviously this guy just held his hatred for not getting a satisfactory answer to his non-political question 3 years ago as the sole reason. Okee dokeee smokeee.

Oh ya, what part of (not saying in this example) didn't you get????

"What is government if words have no meaning?"- I, unfortunately, do not have the power to read other people's minds(unlike some), but it sounds like he's saying, "what good is government if it's all rhetoric". While it is not a political stance, it certainly sounds like he's passionate about government. Again, this is merely speculation by me. I do not assert my speculations are factual or correct.


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Me too, I never have sympathy for people who are fucked in the head like this guy is.

I do.

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