Uh...it really just goes to show how an eating disorder and/or cocaine use is kind of fatal. I fail to see how self-destruction is sad.

its incredibly sad. apparently her mother found her unconscious in the shower. Can't even imagine the fear her mother must have had. Very tragic. Investigations are still under way, but looking at what celebrities are saying, she seemed to be a very sweet and up beat person.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/20/brittany- ... psy-death/

the autopsy will happen despite the husbands wishes, and apparently she has a background in diabetes according to the mother..

In many cases, you have to know it to have sympathy and/or empathy.

I've watched it happen to family members... Right now I have a cousin that I did everything with when I was a kid who's fighting and fighting against addictions. I used to spend days at his house and he at mine, and we'd be together all day... Went into cardiac arrest from cocaine twice in June. He's just a kid.

You don't really know what it is to see someone who really is a genuinely good, thoughtful person fall away purely because he got caught up in the wrong crowd is like until you live it.

What people say when someone dies because of that is not at all insincere. I wish the people who perpetuate that belief would keep their mouths shut. They did not know that person....

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I'm willing to bet that I've had a few more life experiences than you have. Not your fault, you're younger than I am and you probably won't lead a life very similar to mine. I've seen and experienced plenty of truly sad events.

I've seen people that through no fault of their own were killed for all the wrong reasons - DWI fatal accident, shootings, etc. Remained professional while investigating these cases and informing loved ones that their father/husband/child won't be around anymore. I've wallowed through the aftermath of personal friends dying from cancer, auto accidents, and seen the mess it leaves for the family. These things are sad. When someone dies because of their own actions/addictions/mental illness, it's not sad to me, not if they did it to themselves. Let's just say I have a stronger dose of perspective than you do at this point in time.

A+!

I adored her Just married was one of those movies I watched on repeat, allthetime. RIP!

I find it sad that you fail to see how self-destruction is indeed, very sad.

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I understand that, but I believe that you are incorrect in your assumption that it is life experience that determines what a person thinks when it comes to this; I know plenty of people with more personal experience than you who feel the same way that I do regarding this.... issue? I think that, based on all those I know, life experience has absolutely nothing to do with it, outside of the experience I referenced in my first statement, which was purely personal experience (fighting something yourself, or, in some instances, seeing it in someone you love... but that will not provide the same level of empathy, and it is not something that you mentioned ever witnessing).

When a mother commits suicide, it is the same to her children as if she had been killed in a car accident. It is more cruel to her because she was clearly in immense mental and emotional pain beforehand.

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You really believe in strong accountability when mental illness is involved? Your perspective is clearly a little off key here. I think you need a step back with your overly generalized biases on groups of people because believe it or not, things aren't always black and white.

With all due respect, the fact that you can't find any sympathy towards someone with a mental illness is extremely disappointing and mind boggling to me. And I have a flash for you, people can't control having a mental illness.

I guess I can understand your jaded attitude, considering you have seen plenty of tragedy, whether it's from your career or just your personal life... But I am willing to bet you've never lived with someone who has a mental illness or someone who is self-destructive but truly can't help it that they are, and they would give their own life to stop hurting themselves and those around them.

I guess Jael is right, you have to experience it to have empathy for it. And let's just say I don't think you have a stronger dose of perspective than some of us in this point in time. Geesh...

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You perspective is not 'stronger', it's simply different.

When I was working in EMS full time, I has similar viewpoints. I think it had a lot to do with the sheer volume of shit that people did to themselves.

Since I've been long removed from seeing such things on a day to day basis, and put more thought into it, I think my earlier opinions were wrong.

first off, the details of her cause of death haven't even been figured out yet. It was said she had history with diabetes so for all we know, it could be something with that. Until the we autopsy is done, we won't know for sure.

As far as the self destruction not being sad part...in my honest opinion, I think self destruction is sometimes even sadder. I lost a classmate to suicide once, and that had a pretty huge impact on my life and how I viewed things. To think that this kid felt that the only way to stop his sadness was to end his life was really upsetting. I dunno, I just can't see how self destruction isn't sad, but everyone has their own opinions and own views so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Exactly.

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So i take it people who are killed in the line of duty (police, fire military) deserve no sympathy beacuse they knew the risks?

I do feel sorry for the lives lost due to drug addiction. People as a species are naive in believing "I can stop any time" no matter the depth they are into the drug, or the amount of time they have used it.

I think you need to go see how the family of a drunk driver feels, along with the victim's family. Prahaps a murder's family and again the victim. You will see the same degree of suffering, just due to different reasons.

I say this beacuse I have delivered a soliders remains, I have been on grief duty (informing family of a fallen soldier), I have been the relative of the drunk and the victim. The murder's relative, and again the victim. Till you know every aspect of death, life and all the suffering, joy, tears, smiles, love and hate that can come along that life you need to come down off the sharded glass cross and let someone else have a turn.

J

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This is sad.

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People who speculate always end up looking stupid in the end.

Her death's beginning to look like it wasn't drug related at all if what TMZ is reporting is true (it probably is; that is the only celebrity gossip oriented source I would trust in some instances), or if it was, it was related in the sense that she took the wrong two medications, a la Heath Ledger... Completely different scenario. That in itself is speculation, but wait a few months for the autopsy report. Those have an interesting tendency to make the media look like the group of fools that they are, for the most part. Everyone immediately assumed MJ died from ODing on painkillers; unfortunately for those who believed that, the only things in his system were propofol and another sedative, and he died because he just wanted to sleep, not because he was some kind of junkie. Everyone thought that Heath Ledger died because he had partied too hard, but he just took the wrong two medications at the same time, and later video emerged that showed him refusing to take drugs when they were offered to him, because of his daughter. Give it some time.

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I know none of us know why she died yet, but as far as what's "sad" or not...

Of course anyone dying unexpectedly is a difficult thing to deal with. Just because I don't call self destruction "sad" is no reason to think I'm some jaded and crude person. Self-destruction is selfish, useless, and shows no regard for the loved ones left behind.

I suppose it's just semantics to some people, but self-destruction and suicide for me fall under "regrettable", "pointless", and "selfish". Things like an eight year old getting smashed into several pieces because her useless crack addict mother told her to cross the 45 mph street to play with friends, three sisters getting burned alive after a drunk plowed into their car, and a nine year old girl getting shot dead in her bed after a drive by intended for her thug older brother - those are "sad" to me.

Either way the hardship is felt the same by loved ones - I don't deny that. But while others don't make a distinction, I see a difference in how to describe these events. If that makes me a real bad guy in some of your views, just maybe you should try it from my end and maybe you'll see it differently.

Annnnd CNN is reporting now that she died of natural causes.

Terrible.

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Natural causes at 32??

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and after the autopsy found nothing to determine a cause......sounds like a toxicology case myself

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