My faith on religion? I'm still a wait and see type of guy.

I don't know if God exists. I sure hope. I want him/her/it/whatever to be real. That's as much as I can say and believe.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

Every person I have heard speak on this subject ranging from college profs to Stephen Hawking say that mathematically there must be life out there. The distance to be covered to find it though is beyond our technological scope presently.



Theorizing through mathematics but lacking the tools to prove it doesn't give you permission to turn the word "believe" into the word "faith". That's weak. Clearly a huge difference. Also, countless excepted present facts started as theories and needed time to pass before the technology was available to prove them.

As far as little green men, who knows if we've been "visited" or whatever. I do think that the universe would be an awful waste of space if we're the only thing in it though.

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I've always been a believer that no one can reach that technological capability without being morally responsible.

Imagine if the resources that we pool into wars with each other and fights over petty bull shit was used for progression in science.

We are definitely not a species that's in touch with our Earth, or each other, and we'll wipe ourselves off the planet before we find a way to travel through space if we continue down this path.

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However, the existence of extraterrestrial life COULD be proven, wheras the existence of God cannot.

I accept that the odds are highly in favor of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe (I am also personally willing to believe it). However, it's very extremely unlikely that it has visited earth.

At the speed of light, it would take 4.24 years to reach the closest star to our sun, Alpha Proxima. One, there is no hint of habitable planets anywhere around this star (or the others close to it - Alpha Centauri A and B). Two, if there was technology to travel at the speed of light, it would also run the risk of a catastrophic collision along the way. It's highly doubtful that this speed is either achievable or even practical.

The closest habitable planet, Gliese 581, is 20.5 light years away. What are the chances that it has intelligent life with light speed capability? Same goes for planets further away, but after a certain point, "aliens" would have to target earth as a destination and start the journey well before humans even came into existence. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to see humans here (somehow) and then begin a journey and get here by now.

I don't care who in the military says what about Roswell or anything else about aliens. It is (should be) well known fact that the US military used UFOs and movie/pop culture to assist in dis-information campaigns to cover for their technological flight experiments. They would spread the rumor to keep the heat of of what they were tinkering with and how far they were getting with it. These days I suppose these stories are born from 1)getting swept up and falling for rumors within their military branch 2)being a true believer just like many civilian UFO freaks 3)desperation from financial problems. Either way, it's more junk that doesn't take enough science or physics into account.

I also don't see why you would automatically assume I believe in God. I've never said I did, I've only stood up against the existence of God being attacked.

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I think he was referring to crosscheck.

speculation. god could manifest himself just like aliens could. continue religion hate if you want.

Logic is all the proof I need.

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"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

"manifest"? what do you mean by that?

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"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

How is this religion hate??? Is there some other discussion I missed? I think when squanto made that comment, he wasn't including the thought or possibility of GOD coming down to show himself to all humans in a un-denying state.

Short of that happening, nobody can prove the existence of god, or any god. That's not hate, that's just a plain, true statement.

I'm not hating on religion.

We've seen life. We know it exists. If we were to see extraterrestrial life, we would know that it was life.

We've never seen God. We don't know it exists. If we were to see God, wouldn't anyone know that's what it was?

I saw God holding a sign near downtown the other day. Patrol was getting him out of the median.

my bad, i thought it was one of the passive aggressive arguments i'm used to seeing.

i argue that we would automatically know that something was an alien. who's to say we're how most things evolve and that aliens aren't like...kryptonians? completely human on the outside.

god could come and do his thing- you know, the sort of stuff jesus did. water from wine, life to lazarus, etc. i guess you can play semantics to say whether it was god or shiva or allah or whatever, though.

The thing about religions is that they pre-date scientific discoveries, and the true meaning of "God" is commonly misinterpreted by priests. The fact that God is even being discussed as an existential being or as "fire" or the "sun" is a perversion of the true meaning of religious beliefs. The use of the word "god" is the reader, the follower. "God" is within them, the faith is to be found within, not without.

People who are arrogant enough to believe that they will go to heaven and see god are missing the entire point of being faithful and religious. And as for science, that is an OUTWARD exploration of our reality. Not INWARD, or a spiritual exploration. Two completely different things that should never be in competition with each other.

Without religion, man would not have evolved into the brilliant free thinking being it is today. The Science world doesn't want to acknowledge this, but it's true. A LOT of good comes from religion. And the science should not effect a man's religious beliefs one way or the other. If we discover an alien, god still lives within you. It changes nothing. Unless of course you are one of the millions who follows religious misinterpretations...

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"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

Let's not get this into a religion argument... That never ends well.

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Hmmmmm. My 2 cents?

The Universe would be a gigantic waste of space if we were the only things in existence. I'd be really mad if we were all we had to look forward to in space. I have no facts or proof, but come on. billions+ planets and we're it? Balderdash.

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Rick Jeanerette after Marty Biron's diving save back in 2000.

"I'm going to go to the spa and have a hot tub and massage and relax," Miller said. "That's it, and it's back to work tomorrow." Ryan Miller after clinching the North East division.

I just pointed out why both sides are wrong to combine the two. Now I'm slowly walking away from my computer...

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"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger

I wasn't just referring to you, just some of the comments, including myself even.

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Dude, wtf, have you had a stroke or something? Havent we had multiple threads locked because you identify as a christian and me and various other people have tried to debate religious stuff with you? I'm not just pulling it out of my ass that it's kind of a logical inconsistency for you to believe in god on faith, but not believe in aliens because you dont have proof?