i think thats 50% of my dislike for apple. the other 50% is simply i couldnt stand using their products. found them cumbersome and annoying. thats just me though.

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It's definitely possible. I have heard (but not verified, so shoot me down if you know this is wrong) that the reason pancreatic cancer has such a high morality rate is that it is almost/entirely undetectable until it is far too late. It's also possible that in him it was detected earlier, giving him a much higher chance of survival and inevitably prolonging his life regardless of his eventual death.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

IDK if you watched his Stanford speech or not, but in it he said that the prognosis was 3-6 months when it was found. He died over 7 years later.

I haven't, just seen a lot of quotes from it.

I did read today (as in like half an hour ago, which is why I still remember this lol) that he didn't have the overly aggressive kind (adenocarcinoma), which is what most people diagnosed with it have. That may not have been/probably wasn't known when he was first diagnosed. What he did have was actually quite curable if a Whipple procedure had been done as well as having cells that metastasize a liver transplant. He had a liver transplant a couple years ago, which is how it's evident to the public that he had the curable/more drawn out kind of pancreatic cancer. If he had had the other kind, he would not have qualified for a liver transplant and would have died much earlier as originally anticipated.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

Innovative man, and beating Pancreatic cancer has a 16% survival rate if found early.

Something I found funny to bring some lightheartedness in this.

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LOL

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hockey Night in Buffalo

It's scary how well people on a message board know me.

Nah, to be honest though, I was pretty moved by his death. I don't really know why. I think a big part of it is the incredible twist of irony that his life demonstrated to the world.

We're talking about a guy who dropped out of college to pursue his dreams. It's incredible to me what one man can accomplish by doing nothing more than following his heart, which in a lot of cases takes quite a bit of courage.

That whole life was driven by his fascination with death, as he's said himself many times. In a way, it seems almost fitting that he'd die at a somewhat young age.

Reminds me of something Terence McKenna once said.

"Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under; it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering its a feather bed."


Also, Android can lick my nut sack.

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Wheelhouse

...and it helps if you're friends with an electrical engineering genius who can design computers and software from scratch.
...and it helps if HP, who owned the rights to those designs is not interested in them.
...and it helps if Xerox opens their patent kimono and hands you the mouse and GUI.

besides that stuff, yeah, it was just a guy following his heart.

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Haha I'm not saying he didn't have any help along the way. I don't think it's even possible to make it that far without it.

But there's no denying that his leadership is what brought Apple to the place they are today.

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Wheelhouse

No fair, he used an app.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

That's true, but that's also saying something scary about the future of the company.

In 3-5 years when they have to start turning out new products without his influence we'll see how they do.
Design by committee usually sucks.

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Agreed. Although I'm hopeful. I think if there's anyone in the world that could keep his company moving perpetually forward in the way that he'd oversee it, it'd be Jobs.

I'm very interested in this "Apple University" idea. As you know, we've got at least 4 years before we really see a Jobs-less Apple anyways.

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http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone ... steve-jobs

The part about censorship and centralized control does a good job of summing up why I'll never buy an iPhone.
The Chinese child labor doesn't bug me as much as the fucking iTunes store.

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i hating using itunes when i had an ipod. it pissed me off to no end.

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i honestly dont see the issues people keep talking about with itunes?

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PSA: I am an overly sarcastic person. If you take me at my word, then i will most likely anger and offend you.

it acts as a single point of centralized control for Apple over the products you own.

I consider that inherently bad (see censorship) and I won't play that game.

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i dont know what it was. but itunes would randomly delete songs and wouldnt upload them to my ipod. throw in that my ipod already worked like a hunk of shit (bad battery, freezing, wouldnt turn off or on sometimes.).... bad experience. after i switched to zune, the whole thing really hammered home how much i didnt like itunes. the zune interface is flawless and simple.
<333333 my zune.

of course cross is talking about a whole different reason to dislike itunes from me.

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My beefs are technological. In general, it's bloated software, and a major resource whore. It also, inexplicably, doesn't allow you to sync an iDevice with more than one computer, which for most of us techy folks is stupid. (It has the CAPABILITY to do that, you just have to hack it a bit to make it work. That should be default functionality.)

I do not think I have ever owned an Apple product, though I suppose you could count "owning" itunes, which I've used less and less since college. Never owned a mac, an ipod, or an iphone and probably never will unless there are significant advantages to doing so. So I don't have much of an opinion on Jobs. Yuck to the stuff in that story though.

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Proud LGBTQQ Individual

A CEO is one of the world's largest companies was kind of a dick? Wow. What a shock.

Steve Jobs does it, he's a bad person. CEO fo BP does it, it's considered 'just business'.