Meh, their kids deserve to see what their parents have wrought.

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It only further makes them keep that black-and-white, us versus them mentality of the world that their parents are feeding them, though.

To truly stop them in the future, treat them with respect.

It won't do any good, though, unless everyone does it, and too many are fueled by raw anger for that to happen.

I edited that last post a little late.

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Meh, I'd rather not get into this kind of discussion on a hockey forum. I'll rest my case with, sometimes 'eye for an eye' is the only way people learn.

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I've found that the most radical, extreme, criminal and basically fucked up people don't "learn". They can only be eliminated by determined people.

Well, this is a group that is more or less isolated to one man, half his children, and the children of those children (children children children too much of the same word in one sentence). If you can prevent future generations from keeping it up, problem solved. They're certainly not cut off from the outside world. The kids go to public school, for example. I'm sure they're not treated well/ignored by their peers, too, on the advice of the parents of those peers.

Contradict what the parents teach about others in front of the kids, and you'll make them ask questions their parents can't satisfactorily answer after they're about five years old. Give them those questions, and you've got, "Get out of this ASAP," once they hit eighteen. Act exactly how their parents tell them those outside their family act, and you're telling the kids that everything their parents say is true.

It's not about teaching the adults a lesson; it's about exterminating the group by infiltrating with the opposite of what the children are taught to expect, letting them die out as the younger generation grows up.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
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You'll never break the kids by being nice to the adults.

Those kids are indoctrinated from the moment they're born with this garbage, and one other very important "fact".

"Everyone that's not with us is against us."

No matter WHAT you do, those kids will be suspicious of all outsiders. They're not going to have an epiphany one day and realize that their grandfather's message of hate is all of a sudden wrong. It's not a case where someone used to be on the outside, and can be turned back to normalcy.

It's generational bigotry, and it takes a major family schism to break.

Scott Roeder agrees!
So...um...take that any way you want I suppose.

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I'm with you Phil. This doesn't seem like the right place for this discussion, but I'd like to point out that your proverb 'eye for an eye' comes from the same book that says 'God hates fags'. Neither statement is good or moral, and have therefore been "interpreted" out(of some churches anyways).

To me life is pretty simple. I don't need any book to model my morals after. I have this built in device called 'shame', which tells me when something is right or wrong. I don't require any ancient tomes to re-affirm myself when I just did something that felt wrong.

Oh these people are soo sheltered. God doesn't hate, "Fags"...

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He's a middling AHL player who had the good fortune of a drunk arbitrator. - The Squanto re: Tim Kennedy

Giving them back the same treatment they give others does merely enforce the message being preached within that family, though, and adds fuel to their "cause." It justifies their ridiculous view of the world, in their minds.

I think I'm just too passive in general, though, to contemplate doing that kind of thing to other people regardless of their behavior, especially when there are kids around that haven't yet had their minds fully broken (if you watch that Theroux documentary, the younger ones really didn't, even Shirley's kids; it was palpable), and I'll justify anything that means not doing so (though it is logical to say that, based on everything that is known about them, returning their behavior with more of the same absolutely enforces their beliefs and not only does nothing to ameliorate the situation but makes it worse). I recognize that I have a rather different worldview from most, though.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
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"Eye for an eye" is taken out of context all the time. In context, it means that in civil cases, lawsuits, a person is not to ask for more than what was destroyed. In other words, no suing for emotional distress if your car was totaled by another driver. Suing for medical bills and the cost of the car? Sure. Tacking on an additional $5 million? No. Basically, it's "You can seek compensation equaling the cost of what was lost, and nothing more." It's up to an eye for an eye, so to speak, and not beyond that.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
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You know what? I'm perfectly ok with that... this emotional distress bullshit is way out of hand. People end up overcompensated for their feelings. Our feelings are what are going to lead to our demise; either pride or compassion. We save the lives of people who shouldn't be in the gene pool, for them to further contaminate it. We are stagnating as an evolutionary being, and WILL die off because of it.

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Well crosscheck, you're getting that comment backwards. Roeder should be the one that was eliminated, not the abortion doctor...no???

No. This isn't China. We don't eliminate people here for thought crimes and we have freedom of speech.
You use the same justification as I'm sure Roeder did to "eliminate" people you don't agree with.
Killing for the perceived "greater good"

So I guess you can fill us in on who it's OK to "eliminate" and who is allowed to live. That's above my pay grade.

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um, hey guys?

I don't wanna sound like an ass/know it all or anything and don't wanna tell people what to do but I think this thread has kind of strayed away from being hockey related. Shouldn't it be relocated to Hamilton?

Erm, I mean, the lounge?

Just my 2 cents

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He's a middling AHL player who had the good fortune of a drunk arbitrator. - The Squanto re: Tim Kennedy

Well, it was never really about hockey....maybe it should be squirreled away under "politics"

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You've taken it out of context the most, Jael..."eye for an eye" comes from the Code of Hammurabi, which existed HUNDREDS of years before the Bible. Originally, it didn't have anything to do with civil lawsuits or fair compensation or anything...it had to do with gouging out the eye of the bastard who gouged yours out.

Here's the line that "eye for an eye" comes from...one of the Laws of Hammurabi:


In this case, it has to do with giving the Westboro Baptist Church a taste of their own medicine. Member of that fucktard cult dies? Protest the shit out of their funeral. Asshole with a microphone beans a glammed-out queen with a rock during a back-and-forth outside of a stage performance? Bean that asshole back. One of those little brainwashed kids starts questioning what's going on? You yell harder and louder than his or her dickhead parent that they're going to Hell for being intolerant, hateful bastions of misery.

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I was referring to that reference in my reply to daz because that is clearly the one that he was referencing in his post. I was replying to his post, not to yours. You didn't make it clear what you were referencing; he did. I'm well aware of the Code of Hammurabi.

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‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
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Phil +1

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