From like 1975-1985, most divorces were initiated by women. If you want to sit there and fucking tell me women gaining more independence from men had nothing to do with it, then go ahead and continue with your head up your ass. Women actually go to college and work now, which wasn't very common before that.

Who the fuck cares that men still make more money? That doesn't mean women are making the same amount as some 10 year old in China making your Nike sneakers and can't live on their own. Most of the time, it's marginal at best. Are you stuck in the fucking pre-civil rights era? Because I'm pretty sure wage discrimination isn't as prevalent as you make it sound. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but to say that women aren't more independent now because men make more is flat out fucking stupid.

I hope that when you are married, you decline every state and federal right given to married couples since you say it is only based on love. I do believe that people should love each other deeply before making a commitment, but the truth is, marriage at the end of the day is a license, a piece of paper that grants rights. You don't have to be married to be in love and you don't have to be in loved to be married. It's not a prerequisite or co-requisite.

I'm saying you're wrong about the origins of marriage; I'm not really arguing with you about current shit.

And FYI, more people are waiting to get married, there are fewer marriages, and the divorce rate is the lowest it has been in 30 years.

im not going to argue that point. i cant. i hope that when people get married, its because they love each other, not for tax breaks and such. i guess i may be old fashioned that way. unless its an arranged marriage, and your family is getting a few goats out of it. then, i mean, win win! because goats are sweet.

that being said, same legal rights across the board, as i said, regardless of the gender ratio of the relationship.

if this makes me public enemy number 1, thats ok. thats just how i think it should be, but if its not, its none of my business.

ive always said people have different agendas in life. if aaron wants to believe one thing, thats fine. if beth wants to do her thing, more power to her.

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I never was once arguing the origins of marriage with you, I was stating what I believe in with Marriage. I don't care where it came from or how it came about or how it fails and how women are independent and how this and that goes about.

I simply stated marriage is something special and should be about love before you commit to it. I know it's just a license that gives you certain rights. But marriage to me is more then a piece of paper saying you're married.

I never argued women were less independent and could make as much money, I was stating I don't buy that as a reason why marriages are failing at a more common rate then what it was in the 1900's to now. I love that women are in competition with men for jobs, makes the workforce more diversified.

All I first stated was Marriage should be something special between two people who love each other. End of my story.

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Except that's not what you said.



So yeah, you want them to make sure they love each other...as long as they also fit into specific gender assignments.

I just said that divorce rates are lower than they have been in 30 years. How does that mean more marriages are failing?

Do you want to be called something else because you're different?

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Proud LGBTQQ Individual

Originally that is what I said, you know I really don't know where I fall into about marriage of same sex.

I don't care if they do it, and simply I just don't care what they call it anymore.

I'm religious and marriage defined in the BIBLE says it is between a man a women, is it that hard to understand why I think it could be called something different, because it's not in the definition I perceive marriage to be?

That's the biggest reason why it's not allowed in most states is that very reason. I know the official definition of marriage is a unity of two people by law and says nothing about gender, but I'm religious enough to believe it shouldn't be called marriage of same sex simply for that very reason I stated before.

I guess I can't have my own beliefs around here either if it has to do with religion. Sounds just like the rest of the world, getting criticized because I am open about my beliefs in God.

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I don't get to watch TSN, but I'd imagine it's pretty much the same as ESPN these days except that it has FARRRRR more hockey coverage (and rightfully so).

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mechaphil

Because it's insulting. Calling Marriage anything different for certain couples implies that those couples are inferior. Separate but equal didn't work so well the first time around, and as long as separate terms exists for different "types" of marriages, there is going to be an air of inferiority around one of those types.

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Proud LGBTQQ Individual

well, as you know TSN is owned by ESPN. same format, and TSN gets its american storys from the AP, doesnt it?

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Wrong...ESPN and TSN are owned by the same parent corporation. But otherwise, yea they do get their stories from the AP, but it's a mix of the American and Canadian AP.

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mechaphil

Thanx, got an lol. Then again, I'd laugh at just about anything right now, but the Lama is a 2:00 A.M., in your bed, "honey, why are you laughing", good one.

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gotcha. i know they are basically the same thing. but TSN focuses more on canadien sports. not entirely though.

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That's a cop out and you know it. You're entitled to your opinion, and nobody says you aren't. We disagree. Simple as that.

We keep skipping a major point here. There's two places marriage is recognized. In the church, and by the state. You can (and people do) get married all the time without the intervention of a church, with nothing but a license from the state.

Why can't the church just say 'Hey, we don't recognize same sex marriages for our purposes' and be done with it? Why all this fight over a WORD?

Because a few thousand years ago some guys got togther, concocted the newest "sun god" scheme, and it's stuck.

The Bible's a fairy tale that profits the church and feeds on peoples' fear of the unknown.

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anyways, the wifey was right in getting the divorce


best of luck to the two of them, but why the hell do we care

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PSA: I am an overly sarcastic person. If you take me at my word, then i will most likely anger and offend you.

Separation of church and state is perfect reason as to why the name shouldn't be changed. And no, civil unions are not equal to marriage in terms of rights and is wrong, too.

Marriage is so gay.