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Sabresfansince1980
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:01 am 
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No. This isn't China. We don't eliminate people here for thought crimes and we have freedom of speech.
You use the same justification as I'm sure Roeder did to "eliminate" people you don't agree with.
Killing for the perceived "greater good"

So I guess you can fill us in on who it's OK to "eliminate" and who is allowed to live. That's above my pay grade.


You're overreacting and probably taking my comment the wrong way. I hope this drawn out explanation could have been avoided if you didn't take exception to the word "eliminate". I certainly wasn't referring to stalking out extremists and killing them in their sleep. ATL talked about proving to the crazy peoples' kids that they are wrong through kindness. I (and others) suggested that is too lofty an idea for some, and not quite realistic for the most extreme mentalities out there.

Those extreme, crazy, criminal types that have already proven their intentions will not be influenced by anything but force or confinement. "Eliminating" them through proper punishment for their actions or threats is all that they will adhere to. The more wishy washy people (for lack of a better term) will think that they can effectively deal with those types through other means, right up until they kill somebody (or many). It takes determined people to recognize a serious threat and deal with it before an innocent person is killed. Those people have to be diligent in their investigations and in applying applicable laws (or legislating new ones) that put crazy extremists like Roeder away. He killed someone after making it fairly clear that he intended to do so for a very long time. Threatening to kill someone is not free speech or a "thought crime". Ironically there are crimes that fit under the latter, such as conspiracy to commit murder, so you might want to re-think that comment.

Roeder wouldn't "learn" anything no matter how just and kind the message was. He should have been unavailable to follow through on his death threats - in his case from a prison cell. Others that already follow through and kill, or organize groups that encourage killing, should be eliminated in whatever manner that fits. Make all the communist references you want, but your going off track. Suggesting that I use the same thought process as Roeder is quite inaccurate. A crazy extremist uses the thought process you elude to in order to justify killing innocent people. My thought process is to put those extremists in prison after they make their intentions known, or put them to death after they follow through on it. I think the difference is fairly obvious, unless you believe killing under any circumstance is wrong...but I doubt that.


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