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Squanto
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:36 pm 
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You make the assumption that I respect the church. I don't, and this situation is one of the reasons why.

Another was a close friend who got married to someone who had been a confirmed Catholic, and he was not. They had to jump through all kinds of hoops to even get the half-mass wedding at their church. Another couple in the same situation, but who was the #3 donor to that church, had no problems.

So no, I do not respect the church. From what I see, hear, and read, it's all about money and control to them. They prey on the desire that many have to find answers, and to have a spiritual connection to God. Their anointed messengers perform some of the most heinous acts imaginable to children, only to have it swept under the rug under the guise of forgiveness.


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Nuthatch wrote:
"Don't you find it difficult to respect an organization that does not issue out some sort of penalty, or at least utter a sigh of disapproval at such a crime? Who's leader neglects to do ANYTHING about it?"


You could be talking about any government here, or any organizational structure. Including the USA.

Please direct me to an instance where the Canadian or American government... or any government had knowledge about a senior citizen molesting over 200 disabled CHILDREN, and CHOSE not to punish the individual?

right... I'm gunna call BS on this one

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Squanto wrote:
You make the assumption that I respect the church. I don't, and this situation is one of the reasons why.

Another was a close friend who got married to someone who had been a confirmed Catholic, and he was not. They had to jump through all kinds of hoops to even get the half-mass wedding at their church. Another couple in the same situation, but who was the #3 donor to that church, had no problems.

So no, I do not respect the church. From what I see, hear, and read, it's all about money and control to them. They prey on the desire that many have to find answers, and to have a spiritual connection to God. Their anointed messengers perform some of the most heinous acts imaginable to children, only to have it swept under the rug under the guise of forgiveness.


I was more speaking to the boards than you in particular

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Squanto
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Fair enough.


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Captain Pants wrote:
Nuthatch wrote:
"Don't you find it difficult to respect an organization that does not issue out some sort of penalty, or at least utter a sigh of disapproval at such a crime? Who's leader neglects to do ANYTHING about it?"


You could be talking about any government here, or any organizational structure. Including the USA.

Please direct me to an instance where the Canadian or American government... or any government had knowledge about a senior citizen molesting over 200 disabled CHILDREN, and CHOSE not to punish the individual?

right... I'm gunna call BS on this one


That's the part I was looking at when I made my comment. My thought being that all powerful organizations attempt to sweep their transgressions under the rug. I regret not specifyiing that I was using a broad base for the word "crime".


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Squanto wrote:
So no, I do not respect the church. From what I see, hear, and read, it's all about money and control to them. They prey on the desire that many have to find answers, and to have a spiritual connection to God. Their anointed messengers perform some of the most heinous acts imaginable to children, only to have it swept under the rug under the guise of forgiveness.


+1000 :clap:

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I was going to stay out of this thread, but I'm with Phil.

Forgiveness should not mean he says a few prayers, loses his position, and moves on.

Forgiveness involves truly being sorry, and serving the penalty under law for his actions.

This guy needs to go to jail.

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Melly317
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acrossthelines wrote:
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A 'man of God' can get away with something this disturbing but a normal man can't even sneeze at a little girl/boy without being called a pedophile.


Yeah, this... It's upside down.

:(


How is it upside down?

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its fucked up, for sure. but if he repented, then you are absolved by catholic theory, i think. the religion is founded on forgiveness.

so im on the fence about this. on one hand, yes, its VERY fucked up. on the other, by Christianity, he is forgiven. the grey area, as horrific as it is, is massive.

my opinion, the church should forgive him, however, his duties are waived.

the judicial system, on the other hand, well, thats up to them to decide.


How can you be on the fence about something like this?! The man touched innocent little boys. He should be in prison like everyone other pedophile getting plowed in the ass by a huge man named Tiny.

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im not talking about on the fence with the judicial ruling. i mean on forgiveness from the church and christians.

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I saw your follow up post after I quoted that mike, sorry about almost going off on you.

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its ok.

you have to understand i dont condone this action. but i live my life with the belief something better is out there. and i have to forgive those who dont deserve it because i believe... what i believe.

if you wanna attack the cardinal or priest. go for it. attack all you want. and while it hasnt really popped up here yet, do not, and i repeat, DO NOT EVER FUCK WITH SOMEONES BELIEFS. hasnt happened yet, but i feel it coming. its some peoples foundation of life, and theres nothing cool about shattering something like that.

thats all i ask from you guys. i hope you guys continue to respect that.

and im not a jesus freak, i just try to live well and help others and be kind to people, with the thought that theres something better after i pass.

i could get into other stuff, but frankly, thats for people i truly trust.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
a priest molesting children doesnt encapsulate Christianity, and an atheist molesting children doesnt encapsulate atheists. if this is a rally against religion, it should stop, and stop fast.

If God's representative on Earth can't(won't) stop it, who will????????????????


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There are plenty more sects of Christianity than the Roman Catholic Church.

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True, there's always Calvinism.

j/k. I'm sure all religions have their problems.


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Did you guys know that even Buddhism condemns homosexuality? I just found that out recently.

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mechaphil wrote:
Did you guys know that even Buddhism condemns homosexuality? I just found that out recently.

If you want me to guess, it meant less soldiers if the guys were banging other guys. Heterosexual sex produces offspring which makes a country more powerful.


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daz28 wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Did you guys know that even Buddhism condemns homosexuality? I just found that out recently.

If you want me to guess, it meant less soldiers if the guys were banging other guys. Heterosexual sex produces offspring which makes a country more powerful.

Uh what?

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mechaphil wrote:
daz28 wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Did you guys know that even Buddhism condemns homosexuality? I just found that out recently.

If you want me to guess, it meant less soldiers if the guys were banging other guys. Heterosexual sex produces offspring which makes a country more powerful.

Uh what?

Why religions ban homosexuality.


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daz28 wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
daz28 wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Did you guys know that even Buddhism condemns homosexuality? I just found that out recently.

If you want me to guess, it meant less soldiers if the guys were banging other guys. Heterosexual sex produces offspring which makes a country more powerful.

Uh what?

Why religions ban homosexuality.

Do you know anything about Buddhism or its core tenets?

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