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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
This article, from Time Magazine, discusses several court cases around the world in which parents lose custody of their children because of morbid obesity. When I saw the headline my first thought was that this is an unwarranted intrusion into the family unit, but one South Carolina case the 15 year old weighed in at a whopping 555lbs. There are many serious, long term health consequences to obesity, but I am undecided about this issue. Should Parents of Obese Kids Lose Custody? http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 72,00.html |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
I don't agree with losing custody, but I hate how there are so many unhealthy kids that can't do shit. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
I think if the kid is under 10 and is fat he should have to go through fat camp, and will lose weight. I'm kidding, but you see kids who are weighing in at 100 pounds before they even turn 10, which is downright wrong and sad. If parents weren't so lay and actually cooked home cooked meals and didn't buy junk food America wouldn't be one of the fattest countries in the world. Food is too easy to come by and most of it is so bad for you. I'm very glad my parent's hardly ever bought junk food or pop and such. I'm healthy, I'm a good weight(could gain some pounds), I'm not fat by any means and I don't always want to eat fast food or go and buy chips and such. Losing custody, depends on how bad the child might be overweight also. |
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| Author: | acrossthelines [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
Malnourishment is considered child abuse, and nobody bats an eye at it. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:55 pm ] |
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No it's not child abuse. It's a jackass thing to do, but it's not criminal. You can raise your kids to be racist, put them in beauty pageants, indoctrinate them in ultra-strict religions etc. I suppose if they were actually force feeding the little guy, it's wrong, but in all likelihood, fat little Billy probably loves to eat. |
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
ATL brings up a good point though, Cross. We would consider it child abuse if you withheld food from your child, wouldn't we? I had a student years ago whose parents started him smoking cigarettes at 4 years of age because they thought it was hilarious to see a toddler puffing away. By the time I knew him at age 16 he couldn't complete a sentence without coughing or hacking up phlem. His doctor told him he would be breathing through a tube by 20 if he didn't stop smoking immediately (he didn't). Was that child abuse? I understand the slippery slope here, but do we hold parents accountible for behaviors that endanger their health? |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
I don't draw the parallel between over feeding and starving a child. Being obese *may* cause one health problems at some point. Starving will kill you dead. |
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
Crosscheck wrote: I don't draw the parallel between over feeding and starving a child. Being obese *may* cause one health problems at some point. Starving will kill you dead. Isn't the only difference how long it will take? |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
Godzilla1960 wrote: Crosscheck wrote: I don't draw the parallel between over feeding and starving a child. Being obese *may* cause one health problems at some point. Starving will kill you dead. Isn't the only difference how long it will take? No. I know several fat bastards that have lived long, relatively healthy lives. Food is a survival requirement...being fit isn't. |
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| Author: | icehound [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:51 pm ] |
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Someone must be held accountable for our collective lack of perfection - Criminal charges must be laid.
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
I think that there has to be some accountability and responsibility - there really is no excuse for the life that "fat" kid is going to lead - ridiculed throughout school, eventually becoming reclusive, overly self conscious, and having developmental issues. Then again, I'm disappointed in the stunting of evolution that many modern medicines perform - genetically transmitted diseases ought to strengthen the gene pool...instead we save these lives so that they can reproduce and perpetuate the genetic imperfection.... |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
icehound wrote: Someone must be held accountable for our collective lack of perfection - Criminal charges must be laid. Even though your comment is in jest, it is kinda true. We have this perception that if someone is different they are bad. And trust me, I've talked to people, professionally who have said, "I don't hire those kind of people, they tend to be sloppy and lazy." This was said about a rather robust woman who was interviewing for a secretary job. And I know that if one person says it, there's other people out there who say it. It's sad, but it's true. We have become a society that judges on appearance, rather than on character. Childhood obesity shouldn't be a crime, not until school lunches no longer are 1400 calorie meals of chicken nuggets, or fried porkchops, or even, as it was in my highschool, burgers, fries, nacho cheese, soft pretzels, soda, cookies, and all the other crap. Want to limit child hood obesity, offer a real nutritious school lunch, and not some frozen, precooked, reheat bullshit. |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
whose going to pay for those expensive, healthy lunches? most school districts are broke as a joke, and cant get a bond measure to pass. people dont want to see a 15 dollar annual increase in their taxes. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: whose going to pay for those expensive, healthy lunches? most school districts are broke as a joke, and cant get a bond measure to pass. people dont want to see a 15 dollar annual increase in their taxes. But yet we dump billions of dollars into wasted spending every year (parades, celebrations for local sports teams, all the bullshit), from a pure investment stand point when you're looking at cashing in on this investment in 18 years (a healthy tax paying citizen) you spend the money now, to ensure you're going to get return later. Governments need to think more like successful financial advisers, their citizens are their investment, what's it going to take to get the biggest return out of them. If they'd do that rather than fish for votes, we'd be far better off as a country and a society. |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
Not sure I have an opinion on this, but tend to feel something should be at least attempted in extreme cases. I did see a lot of interesting stuff though in this thread: NYIntensity wrote: Then again, I'm disappointed in the stunting of evolution that many modern medicines perform - genetically transmitted diseases ought to strengthen the gene pool...instead we save these lives so that they can reproduce and perpetuate the genetic imperfection.... What will you think when moderner medicines correct that gene problem they are now simply treating? On a side not about the gene pool. I agree that many of nature's mechanisms are being ignored/removed. I'm kind of thinking too many ugly people are mating for the wrong(un-naturalistic reasons). I certainly think it is more detrimental than medicine. This could be a bad topic, so I'm gonna leave it at that. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
it's a bad move by the parents. If your child is fat you know you fucked up. You need to help your child with his eating. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
Malnourishment is a direct threat to short term human life. Obesity is a direct threat to long term human life. Any parent that does either to their child should be questioned in my opinion. |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
jvaccaro6 wrote: It's sad, but it's true. We have become a society that judges on appearance, rather than on character. Sociology is what it is. People dress and act certain ways which are cues for other people to react to it. Many times your appearance is very suggestive of your character. Like if a nerd doesn't know he's a nerd, then he isn't? I'm not trying to argue, but being fat is not gonna be a positive factor in too many of the kids vital learning situations, much less his future health. With this in mind, children of alcoholics are wayy more likely to become future alcoholics. Should we take their kids away before they pass on their bad habits to them? I guess no is the easy answer, and that kinda kills this topic. |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: most school districts are broke as a joke, and cant get a bond measure to pass. people dont want to see a 15 dollar annual increase in their taxes. McDonald's isn't broke. Maybe they can help the schools out of their dire fiscal straights with a partnership. Heck, you could even say this will help prepare the kid for his future(of eating shit at McDonalds). /That's a satirical view of capitalism meets the school's lunch program. DEMAND shit for your kid that you wouldn't even eat yourself. Hey jr., hurry up and finish your pomegranite juice and soy/banana burger, I gotta pick up my pizza, wings and beer for the game. Well, parents nowadays look down on their kids for stuff they did when they were kids. They EXPECT(rather than hope for) better of their kids than they do themselves. What's funny is that the kid WISHES he could be half of what the parent is. If your a good, responsible person, then your kid probably will be too. I unno, I could talk sociology all day I guess. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is morbid obesity child abuse? |
Let me stir the pot with a racial / socioeconomic twist... http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/race_ ... stuff.html |
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