It's probably the least of my grammar problems , but I'm not sure when to use whom.

Example: I'd love to hear Miller's words and who he called out.

In this case I would prefer whom but it doesn't sound right.
What's the rule for who vs. whom? I would use it for the Dative cases, but that's just transferred from German.

I'm considering retaking grammar school

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I believe the "who" is subjective, and the "whom" objective:

Miller, who called out the team.

To whom it may concern.

http://web.ku.edu/~edit/whom.html

/Ice has it right, whom is objective.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

Oh right , it's so easy. Thanks

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When you say whom is objective, does that mean you use whom when you aren't sure who the whom is?

If that's the case, I can't even think of another use for whom outside of the example posted above.

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Wheelhouse

I'll never get it right more than 50% of the time, DOH!!

High school honors English class and two semesters college english, plus technical writing classes, all wasted!!! My rule - use who, unless it sounds really awkward!!!

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"I don't feel like Satan, but I am to them"
Neil Young

"To whom are you referring?" - The speaker cannot specifically identify the subject.

"Who was at the party?" - The speaker compels the naming of the subject(s.)

Messy.

My rule is: If addresses any and all - It's "whom". If it addresses a particular name, place, face, thing - It's "who".

That's better

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"I don't feel like Satan, but I am to them"
Neil Young

"Who" is subjective, as in it is the subject of the clause. "Whom" is objective; it is the direct or indirect object of the clause, or the object of the preposition within the clause.

Direct object, indirect object, subject:
I gave him the ball.

Object of the preposition:
I gave the ball to him; to him I gave the ball.

Edit:
Messed up the formatting on the object of the preposition. Forgot what example i was giving as I typed it. What.

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Miles to go before I sleep

‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

i thought whom was becoming a dead word, and who is becoming correct 100% of the time

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I hadn't heard that, and I just graduated high school two years ago, so I don't think it's been that long. Haha.

It's not really confusing, if you're taught grammar in school and are not dyslexic. (Though I know that not everyone is taught grammar... I know five people from a district in WNY who all either graduated or left that district who were not taught any grammar whatsoever after fifth grade, which is absurd because that age is when children begin conversing over the internet and, in many cases, are given cell phones; it's when they need direction the most. One of the kids I graduated with left that school district to be in my class our junior year, and he was absolutely lost in English class.)

Language changes naturally over time, but it seems that any decision to discard "whom" in the USA is more a reflection on the failure of our educational system than on the fact that everything is dynamic.

I really hadn't heard that, though.

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Miles to go before I sleep

‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

my 9th grade english teacher told me that (im in 11th now)

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PSA: I am an overly sarcastic person. If you take me at my word, then i will most likely anger and offend you.

English is such a simple language.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Hockey Night in Buffalo

And one of our Austrian friends asked us and even we can't tell him. What does that tell you

Just go with it Toothpick. No one will notice except Stuuuuuu

Who gives a shit? Whom gives a shit?

It feels so good to swear since I gave it up (verbally) for New Years

I know.

What languages are more difficult? Mandarin Chinese? Icelandic? Gaelic? There aren't many.

A savant learned Icelandic in two weeks well enough to go on a talk show and have no problems whatsoever.

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Miles to go before I sleep

‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

English is the most flexible (in terms of incorporating foreign words, phrases or idioms) language, ever.

Unfortunately, it also assimilates the particular cultural grammatical idiosyncracies, as well.

There are countless foreign words and phrases that have become part of the English language - It has been the tongue of commerce and technology for centuries; and moreso as the prevalence of "The Empire" waxed.

It absorbs all - Like a sponge. And changes like a chameleon.

It's a lovely, bloody mongrel of a tongue. I love it dearly.

But, as a result of its' history and morphology, it's also very demanding.

In English please

Funny, I saw a savant on a German talk show learning German in two weeks (maybe he's a talk show hopper ). He talked really well and said he doesn't learn languages the usual way with rules and grammer etc. He learns the structure and logic of a language (whatever that means). He also mentioned that German was easier to learn than English because English is a tohubohu


The subjective-obejective explanation was good enough for me. That's simple enough for me to remember

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The thread should have been locked after that explanation. Then it would all be good

Yes, because then I wouldn't have a headache from it. LOL.

I can't fathom why anyone would teach grammar. That person would have to be polar opposite with me(even though I do understand the importance of it). Then again, I find math a bit annoying now as well.