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| Author: | AudSabres [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
Quote: PHOENIX - A malnourished Phoenix girl was locked in a bathroom without running water for two months, beaten with metal rods and forced to exercise until exhaustion because her father said she had stolen food and cheated on a home-school test, police say. http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/msnb ... d=23432996  Jesus christ, some people...
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| Author: | MedicMaiden [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
Maybe she was fat and stole his cookies. Explains the excercising. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
Wow... |
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| Author: | fly as hale [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
I wonder if she's related to the lady who refused to leave the toilet for two years. In all seriousness, that's terrible and I'm glad she doesn't have to go through that abuse anymore. |
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| Author: | acrossthelines [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
That is disgusting. |
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| Author: | Van_Da_Man [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
wtf is wrong with these people? |
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| Author: | Howie Hodge [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
There are no requirements for having kids in this country, or most of the world. This means even the most fucked up people are allowed to reproduce. Unless you are advocating regulating people's rights to have children, this will always be a fact of life. I personally wouldn't mind only allowing employed, "sane" people to have have kids; but this just isn't reality. |
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| Author: | MsRussellBeebe [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
Howie Hodge wrote: I personally wouldn't mind only allowing employed, "sane" people to have have kids; but this just isn't reality. Agreed. Dogs have to be licensed by their owners. Perhaps a similar system should be implemented to regulate parenthood....although it is not a very realistic notion, it's nice to contemplate. |
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| Author: | acrossthelines [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
"Nice to contemplate" typically (always) becomes reality down the road; this becomes evident through studying all advances in healthcare systems, the acceptance of eugenics, euthanasia in certain countries, changes in legal liberties, etc. Depending on which people were deemed worthy of deciding who can and cannot become a parent, I could be declared unfit, as could happen to every person in the US. That is the obvious problem with it, which everyone sees (well, for the most part; I've met several people that were honest proponents of the idea as a reality who failed to care about that). Who determines what is right? Who determines what is acceptable? It is the same problem that plagues those who have a hazy definition of what constitutes human personhood. Something as amorphous as life cannot be quantitatively analyzed. I have no tolerance whatsoever for those who would condone killing infants that would grow up to be like my cousin or my uncle or my friend's sister. It is very hard for me to have a rational debate with people of that ilk because, though I have yet to ever yell at someone in my life and am certainly capable of remaining calm, every nerve in me wants to be the opposite. What makes a fit parent cannot be quantitatively analyzed, either, because, again, it is very closely connected to life in a general sense. Abusive parents do not always show signs of such before they have children. Would it be prudent to ban all people who were physically abused by their parents themselves as children from having offspring because many times abuse is cyclical? A very good friend of mine was physically abused by her father as a child, to the point of breaking bones, and today she is a single mother of four children and is the best parent I have ever seen. In the small moments that she can see she's fully overcome her past in that sense, she credits her abuse with causing her to be more sensitive to her children's needs than most parents. She has never laid a hand on them, and they absolutely adore her. Children are removed from unfit parents after they have proven themselves to be unfit. Before that, it seems to me that there is no way to call the shots based on "risk factors." Risk factors are just that: factors. They are not sentences. How else would a person be deemed an unfit parent before actually having and raising children? Would it take three firings from a job to prove excessive irresponsibility? Four? Five? Should felons be prohibited from having children, just as they are stripped of their right as American citizens to vote? Should children not be allowed to be born in poverty? Are the IQs of the parents a factor? I can't even entertain the thought of it because to me, it makes no sense at all. I mean, clearly I have entertained the thought before in order to come to that conclusion, but beyond that... Researching the forced sterilization that this country has employed in past decades in addition to formulating my own thoughts based on my own experience has essentially made me unmovable when it comes to this. This is really all I'm going to say on the subject... It hits too close to home for me because several people I know who are all good parents have risk factors for being abusive themselves in their past so I don't enjoy debating it because every time I come across someone who supports it in earnest (which is maaaybe one or two people on this board; I wouldn't know who though, so don't take that as my having secret contempt for specific people or something  ) I can't help but to think that s/he is incredibly ignorant and stupid and needs to take a look around at the people that he or she knows, and I don't like thinking of people that way, and really any criteria would be entirely subjective and not quantitative at all, so... Ehhh.Not to mention that it's entirely impractical on a concrete, logistical level... Edit: I guess I should clarify that this post isn't directed at anybody. I just took the idea and ran with it. Also for clarification purposes, I can also see the idea that after having children and being deemed unfit as a result of abusing them, a person ought to be forcibly sterilized... I could understand that course of action. I do believe, though, that the sterilization should be reversible, because change is possible, and it's not something that I would actively support... I would still oppose it based on my own stances regarding personal liberty, but if opportunities were provided for change, my opposition would be more abstract than applicable to reality in the form of concerted protest, so in effect it wouldn't be opposition at all, and it would therefore not be worth mentioning. I am fairly certain, though, that there are already similar laws in place, at least in some locales... I recall reading several articles about women declared unfit mothers who not only had their current children but subsequent children as well taken from them. I am not sure where they were located, though. |
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| Author: | Los9090 [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
That's why you have to take it easy on your fiber intake, or you'll shit forever |
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| Author: | Hammygoodness [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
I've spent that long in the bathroom before. But that was voluntary. Ham |
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| Author: | Howie Hodge [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
rbochan wrote: Howie Hodge wrote: There are no requirements for having kids in this country, or most of the world. This means even the most fucked up people are allowed to reproduce. Unless you are advocating regulating people's rights to have children, this will always be a fact of life. I personally wouldn't mind only allowing employed, "sane" people to have have kids; but this just isn't reality. Define "sane". That's why it's in quotes, as that is of course subjective. But just perhaps it's Aladdin Sane....... 
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| Author: | Squanto [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
Hammygoodness wrote: I've spent that long in the bathroom before. But that was voluntary. Ham Catching up on Sports Illustrated? |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girl kept in bathroom for 2 months |
Again, not to make light of this situation, but if I had to be lcoked in one room for two months, I'd definitely pick the bathroom. |
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